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all right good evening how is everybody

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doing yeah what a night we have tonight

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okay so this is what we're gonna do

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we're gonna do an excuse me we're gonna

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do an hour tonight with Nick Pope and

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then we are going to do a bonus hour of

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Nick Pope on Thursday night I'm on fader

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night that's right he's gonna take calls

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with me and wouldn't it be cool if Mika

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conversation so anyway our tonight with

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lines and and have some fun and it's

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going to be great and then we'll bring

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Nick back for an hour on Thursday night

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to man the phones with me and take all

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of your calls okay so there you go man I

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just love doing this show it's so cool

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and so that's where I'm at and then

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tomorrow night our special guest a

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surprise guest is jason louvre the

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author yeah you're getting the sneak

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preview and so he's gonna be with us

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tomorrow night very cool and that's

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about it that's all I can really talk

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about now I got it on a little bit late

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and I'm going live right now enjoy the

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this hope radio for the masses headliner

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between July 8 1947 the Army Air Force

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has announced that a flying death -

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found under now in the possession of the

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on a game is rigged change the game game

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changer I occasionally think how quickly

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our differences worldwide would vanish

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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this is fade to black with your host

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Jimmy Church on the game changer radio

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network and kgr a the global radio

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you have to get to the year nineteen

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fine

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you educated

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with jimmy touch on the game change in

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hey now fade to black the spoke radio

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today's Tuesday May 8 2008 een 128 days

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into the new year just 237 days left we

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are live from a bunker somewhere in

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downtown Burbank California and I would

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like to welcome everybody listening all

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around the world all across the United

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States hither and thither to and fro

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back and forth up and down east and west

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north and south far and near

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this is fade to black 4k JCR the

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game-changer Network and kera the planet

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I am your host Jimmy Church what is

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cracking everybody how you doing how you

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doing how you doing you know what man

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that just makes me want to have Italian

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food tonight after the show

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Reeta Italian how you doing out right

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tonight's very special guest Nick Pope

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is here to discuss these days of

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disclosure alien religion and technology

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tonight now I'm just going to announce

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this right now we're gonna do an hour

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tonight with Nick and then we're gonna

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open up the phone lines okay and I've

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discuss with you and and so that's what

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he's gonna he's gonna take your calls

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with me here for Fator night how cool is

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to hear those two yeah Nick mr. Pope

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the show up and then Thursday night or

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night Nick will be back with us and will

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bunker okay so there's that now tomorrow

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his explosive new book which I have here

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it's called

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John D and the Empire of angels Enochian

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world that's tomorrow night right here

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on fade to black an amazing evening what

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a week we've had here on the show oh man

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it's only Tuesday it's only Tuesday

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unbelievable so and which goes back to

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show and your phone calls but that was

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all be oh man who is is that meatloaf

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who is that that meatloaf looks like

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meatloaf Eric I didn't know you were a

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causing trouble and then this Thursday

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is another fate or night but not just

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another fate or night with Jon Rappoport

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and open lines all night long and

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there's no more fake newsroom live

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because we will have mr. Nick Pope here

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to man the phones okay

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all right follow us on twitter at JT

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radio Facebook winding down quickly I

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have no interest and not I'm not sliding

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any of my friends and

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family that are over makes me wanna cop

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that are over on Facebook okay if

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Facebook is your thing go for it I have

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zero interest I'm just gonna milk

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Facebook for all it's worth and use it

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to promote the show for another month or

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so but that's it I'm done

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I can't believe how little I care it's

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just over on on stellar you just have so

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much fun it's so cool so there you go so

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that's that I'll get on stellar in a

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second any questions or comments during

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the show hashtag f2b Q on Twitter

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sandbox our little chat room our little

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corner of the internet universe is

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hashtag F to be on hashtag F to be on

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clone actually is that true is that true

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I didn't know he cloned but you know

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what you wouldn't know you would know if

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it was a clone right but man that does

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that that that's a pretty good gift

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right there that dude looks like

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meatloaf you want to check out what I'm

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talking about just follow me on Twitter

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add to a church radio to right there no

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it's really cool all right

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email throughout the show Jimmy at

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Jupiter traído comm breaking news

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breaking news last night which is

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don't know you get the drill but over in

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Armenia Nicolle high chignon was just

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elected prime minister of armenia it

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a.m. our time we watched everything live

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on the streams and got popcorn got

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munchies and just watched this all night

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but he was elected yep he was elected

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congratulations to

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all of the people of Armenia not only in

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Armenia but around the world and

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congratulations to Cole for leading this

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Velvet Revolution who would have thought

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did it's here and today is his first day

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in office think about that absolutely

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incredible so there you go it went down

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it actually happened all right I got

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this email earlier today from Andrew and

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and Rita just said really really what

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really what really what Rita I don't

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know I don't know you mean meatloaf

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clone I didn't do that that's a that's

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on Erik if that's what you're referring

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to I got this email earlier today from

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Andrew and I'm gonna read it to you here

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United Kingdom I'm sitting on the beach

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outside my beach hut since about 2000

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the sky here has been full of USA

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military activity fighter jets Herc's

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you know c-130 Hercules even an osprey

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something big is being rehearsed here I

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know that our coastal area is used

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regularly as it represents the closest

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terrain to the Middle East activity is

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intense and constant not seen the like

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of this for years now and that's all

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that he sent to me but we have a very

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large UK audience so I would like to

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hear from any of you out there shoot me

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an email post it in Twitter if you have

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seen this military activity and if it's

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if you know anything about it is it

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something that is is it some military

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drill that was announced to the public

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is it something that is standard

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or not or what have you heard I would

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like to know and if you've shot any

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video or anything also let us know it's

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a lot of you know hot spots around the

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world there's a lot of things going on

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and it could be a a dress rehearsal for

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something else I do agree with Andrew so

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please let us know straight from the UK

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if you have seen anything going on or if

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you know anything about these drills

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specifically and what they are for okay

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thank you for that little public service

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announcement a PSA okay today is day 14

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of the on stellar alpha testing and now

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not only does the platform look really

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really awesome and it's fast and sleek

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and amazing and cool and the bugs are

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getting worked out and all of that stuff

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but we have launched in the last 24

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hours you now have wallets and tokens

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those have been added and we are moving

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quickly into the beta stage which should

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happen it could happen maybe in the next

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24 hours or so

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and so get ready for that and when the

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beta stage kicks in there are gonna be a

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bunch of things not only at it but

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there's going to be some movement and

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some things that are going to happen we

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will release an email to everybody and

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make an announcement on on stellar about

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these changes all of the changes that

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have happened all the technical speak if

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you go to on stellar right now and and

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check out the training page there is a

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notice right there from on stellar about

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all of the changes that have been made

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one of the announcements that is in that

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current release is that we have an

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imminent release of a news feed now the

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news feed will be on your profile page

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and you will be able all of your friends

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that are in your friends list everything

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that they have done or people that you

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follow everything that they have done as

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far as posts

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or or articles video upload stuff like

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that will be in the newsfeed and so

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that's going to be there this is a

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understand some things the reason why

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all of this isn't done all at the same

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time is because we have to make sure

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that each thing that is done and every

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big change that is implemented works

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properly and and doesn't mess up the

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rest of the system of course right well

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that's what's going on that's the alpha

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stage but we are very very close so the

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beta once that is rolled out and how

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that is handled and what it is going to

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be done with that it's gonna be a

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monstrous thing there's some other

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things that are going to happen at the

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same time and at that point we are

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closed but it's it's absolutely amazing

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so get ready for that we'll send an

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email out we'll do a formal notification

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let everybody know that these changes

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are about to happen in the new Revis is

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about to kick in and we are formally

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into beta but we are really close I do

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want to thank everybody for not only the

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bug fixes and the suggestions because

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that's what alpha is about it's about

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you going out there and finding things

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that aren't working now the responses we

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are doing our absolute very best the

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team over and on stellar and the

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developers and what they do there the

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list is very long but they get stuff

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done it's a 24 hour day seven day a week

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project when you're Ellen's gonna always

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be that way but especially when you're

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in alpha and the amount of work that is

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put in you can see these bug fixes

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happen nearly in real time so there's a

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lot more to do but this news feed and

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the other three or four major things

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that are going to happen at the same

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time are gonna really impress you

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so but with that and then we've got to

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work on the rest of the token economy

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and it's about security it's about

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it's about your password it's about

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verification and and and and all of that

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it's got to be top-shelf security for

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you for us for everybody in the

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community so please understand that we

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are very very cautious about your

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privacy your rights your data and and

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everything the the latest announcement

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that is over on on stellar right now now

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you can click on the training page and

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see the article explains a lot there

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okay but your privacy your data your

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security your passwords and everything

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that runs on the surface is very very

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very important okay on stellar and you

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can go and register now as I speak I

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wanted to make this announcement before

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we move further I've got on stellar live

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now in the studio and it's right here so

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and I am getting messages right now so

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we have the chat rooms we have Twitter

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we have email we have all this real-time

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stuff going on and now we have on

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stellar so if you choose and you're over

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on on stellar and you're listening to

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the program and you want a message me

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during the show or send me a question it

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pops up and I get the notification on my

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screen right away so I can see it have

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at it

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life just one more layer here okay but

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do it I encourage it it is just so cool

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I cannot get off of this platform see ya

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okay all right Gabriel are you okay are

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you testing me there you go there you go

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see see there you go it's really that

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simple

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on stellar so cool all right let's move

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on we've got so much to talk about

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now our next and by the way on stellar

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is going to be at contact in the desert

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along with us and stillness in the storm

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and modern masters we will all be

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together in the center of the floor

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there so come and hang out with us come

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up to the on stellar booth fade to black

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booth we're gonna have a lot of really

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cool things I'll be hanging out there

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all weekend it's always the place to be

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and four days of events and speakers and

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it is June 1st through the four 2018

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Indian Wells Palm Springs at the

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Renaissance Resort & Spa

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I am looking into they have fire pits

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outside really nice fire pits and I

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think we're gonna commandeer a fire pit

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for the fete or knots yeah I'm gonna get

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some velvet ropes we're gonna rope that

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thing off but a sign up in the middle do

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not sit down here alright yeah yeah yeah

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we have to so that will be June 1st

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through the 4th contact in the desert

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click on the banners over to maturity Oh

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calm and then August 9th through the

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12th our soul tech soul tech up at East

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teaching of fun of making friends and

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memories that will last a lifetime and I

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guarantee what's gonna go on out there

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on the field of dreams

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each night it's gonna be extraordinary

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and you can go and get all the

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information that you need right now

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click on the banner sole tech gathering

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calm and we'll see everybody up there

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Jason quit holly marie james gilliland

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myself I know I'm leaving a few off but

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just go okay soul tech gathering calm

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it's going to be absolutely an amazing

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event with 300 feet or not it's all in

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where am I don't forget subscribe to our

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click on the podcast manner and we're

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updating that now but it looks really

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nice pretty slick you can also become a

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to me all of that really cool stuff

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become a fade or not today the hats are

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really nice the hath looked like this

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now see we have their embroidered right

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so you've got that Thor embroidered but

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on the back it says Jimmy Church radio

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comm you know how cool how beautiful is

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that so you get those and throttle

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graphed yeah sign every single one of

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them it's so cool bags of 50 signing

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those it is so cool very humbling

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experience when you go through all of

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that

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promo codes are over it Jimmy Church

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radio comm let's get the show crackin by

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the way happy birthday to today Andrey K

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Iglesias is 43 dozen Iglesias mean

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Church alright that's Church in Spanish

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and there's one thing you know son of

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Julio right son of Julio Julio huge star

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right

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albums sold worldwide and that's

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insanity that is megastar but and he's

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great was that song here oh it was good

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it was good song but

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he played in I'm trying to think of the

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movie he played an assassin in Mexico

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Rita what was that movie called

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where he played that assassin there was

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like four guys in his group and it was

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it I was at Antonia Banderas he worked

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for I can't even remember now huh I

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can't remember but he's really good in

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the movie I just can't remember what the

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movie was all right I've got to get one

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of those hats but if it's signed and it

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will be hard to wear and I want to

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support it all the time well what you do

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is get yourself a gold pen where it's

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signed and just sign over it you can

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sign it again right filmed right down

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the street from my high school in Santa

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Cruz California a Jimmy

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Enrique sucks and you know it heavy

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metal rules oh man I like all music he

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used to wear those sweaters remember the

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sweaters that were too long and the

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sleeves and they would I never did that

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I never in my fan fashion world I never

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did the the sleeves that went past your

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hand now man I liked Enrique Enrique is

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cool man Enrique is cool so I like

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allmusic's yeah that's the thing I'm I

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like um if music is good it's just good

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you know how it doesn't you know yeah I

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listen to heavy metal that's my thing

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but I like to blues I like country I

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like salsa

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I like Latino stuff i like russian and

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armenian music and man i to fan it's

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like at all you know if it's good it's

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good it just doesn't really matter but

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I love this audience all right our dead

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guys birthday today is Ricky Nelson 1942

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1985 died at the age of 45 tragically by

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the way singer songwriter musician he

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was on the Ozzie and Harriet show

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forever because he was the son of Ozzie

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and Harriet Nelson The Adventures of

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Ozzie and Harriet he was also nominated

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for Golden Globe for his appearance in

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Rio Bravo yeah what does that remind you

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of gets shorty

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I should have ah that's a Twitter

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question I should have let that hang out

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there which is great but not as great as

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his song garden party and I listened to

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it today Rita she shows up at the bunker

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I listened to four versions of

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garden-party couple of them live couple

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studio version it's cranked ear-bleeding

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level love that song man love that song

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Nelson dreaded flying but refused to

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travel by bus so in May 1985 that's

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right the year that he died in May 1985

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he decided he needed a private plane and

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paid 118 thousand dollars for 14c 1944

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douglas dc-3 that had once belong to

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Jerry Lee Lewis later that year on

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December 31st 1985 the plane crashed

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landed northeast of Dallas in a cow

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pasture less than two miles from a

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landing strip seven were killed Nelson

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and his companion Helen Blair bass

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guitars Patrick Woodward drummer Rick

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Infeld keyboardist Andy Chapin and

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guitarist Bobby Neal and also their road

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managers how man Donald Clark Russell

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pilots Ken Ferguson and Brad rank both

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survived and escaped via the cockpit

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windows Wow Wow incredible

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Ricky Nilson

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just amazing that song garden party just

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just beyond beyond great and I think um

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well actually I think you have heard

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Freddie Mercury do opera with the

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Montserrat no I did not know I bet you

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that is pretty epic love talking music

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here speaking of music here's a fader

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fact for you

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alright speaking of music let's let's

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keep it going

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Barry Manilow didn't write his song

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called

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I write the songs now I thought when I

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heard that song back in the 70s I write

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the songs they make the whole world sing

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about everything I thought that Barry

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wrote that because he writes the songs

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and that there were all these rumors

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back that that he wrote all the

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commercials and McDonald's and Kentucky

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Fried Chicken and all these things right

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I don't know if that's true but it

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seemed like he wrote all those

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commercial jingles so when he said you

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know he sings a song I write the songs I

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assumed he wrote the songs but he didn't

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write that one yeah here you go on this

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day in history

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oh TD 1963 Sean Connery breaks out with

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his first Bond movie dr. no and I'm

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gonna go on the record right now I'm

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just gonna say it before the controversy

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starts he is my favorite Bond I think a

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James Bond I think of Sean Connery I'm

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going on the record okay that's it Sean

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Connery and there you go all right

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tonight very special guests Nick Pope is

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here we're going to discuss the days of

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disclosure alien religion and technology

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that'll be tonight Thursday night Nick

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is going to be back with us for another

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hour

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he's gonna man the phones with me here

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and take your phone calls on fate or no

561
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:40,830
whoa later on tonight I'm gonna open up

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the phone lines after Nick so get ready

563
00:31:47,930 --> 00:31:46,470
for that and we're gonna I'm gonna have

564
00:31:51,590 --> 00:31:47,940
some fun I've got some other stuff I'm

565
00:31:53,470 --> 00:31:51,600
going to talk about tonight with all of

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00:31:55,430 --> 00:31:53,480
you and I'll take your phone calls after

567
00:31:56,810 --> 00:31:55,440
mr. Pope Oh

568
00:31:59,509 --> 00:31:56,820
okay so I'm gonna get out of here right

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now I'll get Nick in don't forget that

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tomorrow night our very special surprise

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guest Jason Louvre

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will be here we're gonna talk about his

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amazing new book it's called John D and

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the Empire of angels Enochian magic and

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the occult roots of the modern world

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Thursday is going to be another Fator

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night not just another fader night

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because Nick Pope's gonna be here along

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with John Rapp and poor Jon Rappoport

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and open lines all night long this is

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fade to black

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I'm your host Jimmy Church I'm gonna get

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out of here get Nick in and we'll pick

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things up from there you can follow me

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on twitter @ JT radio email is jimmy at

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Pope and I had mentioned right before

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the break that over at on stellar if

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you're over at on stellar right now and

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listening to the show you can message me

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right there and I go and I slip of the

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tongue and I literally there are so many

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people at on and on stellar hanging out

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and apparently listening to the show and

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I got a thirty messages popped up it's

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just not right there and I tried to hit

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everybody back I didn't have enough time

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00:38:09,500 --> 00:38:06,599
but thank you that's very humbling on

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stellar is just amazing so thank you for

679
00:38:13,609 --> 00:38:11,520
that that was my slip of the tongue you

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know be careful what you wish for right

681
00:38:19,150 --> 00:38:16,349
Nick Pope worked for the UK's Ministry

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of Defense investigating UFOs and other

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mysteries officially for the British

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government leading the media to call him

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the real Fox Mulder because of his work

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00:38:32,569 --> 00:38:30,539
on these real x-files Nick has worked as

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a consultant or spokes person on

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numerous alien themed movies TV series

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video games nick is a regular

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contributor to numerous TV shows

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including ancient aliens expedition

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unknown NASA's unexplained files

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unsealed and UFOs uncovering the truth

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he has written to science fiction novels

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a thriller and three books about UFOs

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the most recent which I have here and I

697
00:38:58,549 --> 00:38:57,180
got in it you know what's funny it's

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00:39:01,700 --> 00:38:58,559
called encounter in Rendlesham forest

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and when the book is released and Nick

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is gonna laugh right now well let me

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00:39:05,329 --> 00:39:04,589
just say this right now Nick welcome

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00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:05,339
back to the program

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00:39:09,589 --> 00:39:07,890
how are you bad I am fine it's great to

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00:39:12,620 --> 00:39:09,599
be back on the show yeah Thank You Nick

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I was just going to recount the story

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00:39:18,950 --> 00:39:16,170
when the book was released and you had

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one copy left and I said well that's

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mine and he said Jimmy I said Nick I

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want the book and you took it out and

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you signed it right there and handed it

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to me

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and and I had do you remember that whole

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00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:34,230
thing I I know I press lately yes you

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00:39:41,420 --> 00:39:35,570
you cleaned me out

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00:39:43,730 --> 00:39:41,430
I don't have one myself no I do I'm

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00:39:46,100 --> 00:39:43,740
kidding yeah no it was really funny and

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00:39:48,460 --> 00:39:46,110
I got the book and I'm walking away I'm

718
00:39:51,650 --> 00:39:48,470
like man I just took his last book and

719
00:39:53,750 --> 00:39:51,660
so anyway but it is a treasured thing

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that I have down here in the bunker and

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and it's just a little funny moment

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between the two of us nobody was around

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00:40:04,730 --> 00:40:01,410
so nobody got to witness me bullying you

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to get your last book but there you go

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00:40:09,860 --> 00:40:06,690
welcome back to the program and it's

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it's been a while we see each other out

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00:40:12,830 --> 00:40:11,430
there publicly but it's been a while

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00:40:16,910 --> 00:40:12,840
since you've been on with this what have

729
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:16,920
you been up to oh gosh lots of things I

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00:40:22,490 --> 00:40:19,770
have been doing quite a lot of filming

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obviously for the new season of ancient

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00:40:27,020 --> 00:40:25,380
aliens which is just starting and of

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course I was in the season premiere

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which covered the Pentagon's UFO program

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but I mean a whole bunch of other

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episodes this season so that's keeping

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me busy I have just finished my latest

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00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:41,070
book and I'm starting the sequel to that

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00:40:46,430 --> 00:40:44,250
I have a whole bunch of other offers for

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various TV shows a lot of people talk

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about me appearing on other people's

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00:40:54,650 --> 00:40:52,140
shows and and say well maybe you should

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00:40:56,870 --> 00:40:54,660
have your own so I'm in discussions

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about that and it just seems like

745
00:41:01,760 --> 00:40:58,980
there's always something going on yeah

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00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:01,770
you're you there's there's something

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00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:04,530
about well first off you have the mo D

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00:41:08,300 --> 00:41:06,330
connection so there you go you've got

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that but there's something about the way

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that you speak and your presentation on

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the subject that people resonate with

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and because of that are you careful

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00:41:22,940 --> 00:41:20,850
about what you say do you choose your

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00:41:25,610 --> 00:41:22,950
words because people listen to you and

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00:41:26,390 --> 00:41:25,620
they take notes I choose my words very

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cache

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00:41:31,430 --> 00:41:28,770
for two reasons firstly of course I am

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still bound by my secrecy oath and even

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though I've retired from the Ministry of

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Defense that binds me for life so of

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00:41:40,309 --> 00:41:38,490
course it's very easy sometimes to get

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into a discussion with someone

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00:41:46,279 --> 00:41:42,480
particularly on you know late-night

764
00:41:48,890 --> 00:41:46,289
radio show or something and you perhaps

765
00:41:50,990 --> 00:41:48,900
say a little bit too close to the wind

766
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:51,000
and and you have to pull yourself back

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00:41:54,799 --> 00:41:52,410
and realize wait a minute no that's

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00:41:57,500 --> 00:41:54,809
classified so so that's one reason but

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00:42:01,370 --> 00:41:57,510
the other one is yes I do have I suppose

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00:42:04,940 --> 00:42:01,380
what has been called a BBC English voice

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00:42:08,990 --> 00:42:04,950
and I do a lot of TV and radio for the

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00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:09,000
BBC so people do because of the job I

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00:42:16,130 --> 00:42:12,960
did listen to me carefully and sometimes

774
00:42:19,130 --> 00:42:16,140
read things into what I say and

775
00:42:21,740 --> 00:42:19,140
sometimes I must say miss read things

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00:42:25,039 --> 00:42:21,750
into what I say so yes every word I

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00:42:27,740 --> 00:42:25,049
think carefully about now I know that

778
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:27,750
you have your oath but it would be

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00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:31,770
really cool too if you just note for me

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00:42:38,630 --> 00:42:36,210
if you fell on your own sword and took

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00:42:42,349 --> 00:42:38,640
one for the team and became a martyr and

782
00:42:45,230 --> 00:42:42,359
just one day just let it all go and you

783
00:42:47,269 --> 00:42:45,240
know look I would I would donate to your

784
00:42:50,510 --> 00:42:47,279
canteen in prison I would make sure you

785
00:42:52,700 --> 00:42:50,520
you ate well yes well thank you for that

786
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:52,710
I think history shows us that martyrs

787
00:42:57,740 --> 00:42:54,690
don't usually come to a very good end

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00:43:00,710 --> 00:42:57,750
and so I think I'll I'll pass on that

789
00:43:04,579 --> 00:43:00,720
one yeah and and not to make light of it

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00:43:06,829 --> 00:43:04,589
though Nick because of the oath and

791
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:06,839
we're all curious about that I don't

792
00:43:16,730 --> 00:43:12,000
have a security oh you do but is that

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00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:16,740
oath for you the classified stuff not

794
00:43:21,769 --> 00:43:20,010
related necessarily to UFOs I mean you

795
00:43:24,559 --> 00:43:21,779
have other classified information that

796
00:43:26,569 --> 00:43:24,569
you can't speak about that has nothing

797
00:43:29,990 --> 00:43:26,579
to do right about the UFO subject and

798
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:30,000
that is the concern well it's all of the

799
00:43:35,240 --> 00:43:32,490
above I was in the Ministry of Defence

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00:43:38,329 --> 00:43:35,250
for 21 years but my time on the UFO

801
00:43:38,870 --> 00:43:38,339
project was only three years within that

802
00:43:40,940 --> 00:43:38,880
period

803
00:43:43,940 --> 00:43:40,950
I've done a whole bunch of different

804
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:43,950
postings throughout my time there I've

805
00:43:51,380 --> 00:43:46,650
done a financial policy job a personnel

806
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:51,390
job a security policy job so I know an

807
00:43:55,940 --> 00:43:53,130
awful lot of classified information on a

808
00:43:59,120 --> 00:43:55,950
whole range of subjects some UFO but

809
00:44:01,100 --> 00:43:59,130
some for example counterterrorism and I

810
00:44:04,550 --> 00:44:01,110
have to be careful with all of it right

811
00:44:06,890 --> 00:44:04,560
and and the oath I signed in in one

812
00:44:10,580 --> 00:44:06,900
sense there's nothing unusual about it I

813
00:44:13,310 --> 00:44:10,590
signed it in common with any Ministry of

814
00:44:15,410 --> 00:44:13,320
Defense employee on my first day in

815
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:15,420
government service and I actually signed

816
00:44:21,230 --> 00:44:19,290
a reminder on my last day you know just

817
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:21,240
reminding me of the fact that even

818
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:23,370
though I was leaving this binds me for

819
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:26,370
life so there's not really a way around

820
00:44:30,710 --> 00:44:28,530
it unless I was going to become a

821
00:44:33,890 --> 00:44:30,720
whistleblower and I'm not I mean I I

822
00:44:36,980 --> 00:44:33,900
don't approve generally of

823
00:44:39,380 --> 00:44:36,990
whistleblowing because most times the

824
00:44:41,450 --> 00:44:39,390
people blowing the whistle on the

825
00:44:43,700 --> 00:44:41,460
information owners they've they've come

826
00:44:45,830 --> 00:44:43,710
across information but they they don't

827
00:44:48,860 --> 00:44:45,840
own that information and therefore they

828
00:44:50,390 --> 00:44:48,870
haven't done the damage of assessment of

829
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:50,400
what happens if it gets out there and

830
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:51,810
everyone always says to me well you know

831
00:44:55,850 --> 00:44:54,330
the people have a right to know but of

832
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:55,860
course what they sometimes forget is

833
00:45:00,230 --> 00:44:57,810
when you put it out there it's not just

834
00:45:03,530 --> 00:45:00,240
the people it's the Russians the Chinese

835
00:45:06,500 --> 00:45:03,540
the Iranians the North Koreans it's Isis

836
00:45:09,590 --> 00:45:06,510
it's everyone right right that's very

837
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:09,600
interesting and most wouldn't look at

838
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:12,090
that angle of it it's just like just

839
00:45:17,030 --> 00:45:15,330
just let it go let it out there but they

840
00:45:20,300 --> 00:45:17,040
don't understand the other implications

841
00:45:24,020 --> 00:45:20,310
that that are behind that and speaking

842
00:45:26,150 --> 00:45:24,030
of that these these days of disclosure

843
00:45:28,970 --> 00:45:26,160
that we're in well it certainly feels

844
00:45:30,620 --> 00:45:28,980
like it could have been the days of

845
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:30,630
disclosure I'm not sure where we are

846
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:34,650
right now but you have been pushing for

847
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:36,930
and speaking about disclosure long

848
00:45:44,150 --> 00:45:40,170
before it was fashionable of a word as

849
00:45:46,370 --> 00:45:44,160
it is today is this form of disclosure

850
00:45:47,240 --> 00:45:46,380
that we have been going through since

851
00:45:50,780 --> 00:45:47,250
December

852
00:45:52,370 --> 00:45:50,790
is it your version of disclosure our and

853
00:45:55,849 --> 00:45:52,380
are you happy about the way things

854
00:45:58,249 --> 00:45:55,859
have happened well I am moderately happy

855
00:45:59,930 --> 00:45:58,259
I mean a you know we'll let's break this

856
00:46:02,269 --> 00:45:59,940
down I mean obviously your reference to

857
00:46:05,150 --> 00:46:02,279
December is is a reference to the

858
00:46:09,410 --> 00:46:05,160
pentagon's program and I think when that

859
00:46:12,289 --> 00:46:09,420
ended up not on some new-age website but

860
00:46:15,349 --> 00:46:12,299
in the New York Times and then in the

861
00:46:18,559 --> 00:46:15,359
post and right across the media it took

862
00:46:21,019 --> 00:46:18,569
this subject to a different level a

863
00:46:23,870 --> 00:46:21,029
higher level it was suddenly I think

864
00:46:26,539 --> 00:46:23,880
okay to have a conversation about this

865
00:46:28,700 --> 00:46:26,549
and and that conversation is one that

866
00:46:31,220 --> 00:46:28,710
we're still having there are still of

867
00:46:35,539 --> 00:46:31,230
course a whole bunch of unanswered

868
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:35,549
questions about this Pentagon program I

869
00:46:39,710 --> 00:46:37,650
mean heck we can't even quite agree on

870
00:46:42,559 --> 00:46:39,720
the name of it right right we have

871
00:46:45,140 --> 00:46:42,569
advanced aerospace threat identification

872
00:46:47,900 --> 00:46:45,150
program advanced aviation threat

873
00:46:50,170 --> 00:46:47,910
identification program now we find out

874
00:46:53,450 --> 00:46:50,180
that might be part of the advanced

875
00:46:57,049 --> 00:46:53,460
aerospace weapon system applications

876
00:47:00,589 --> 00:46:57,059
program so if we can't even agree what

877
00:47:02,660 --> 00:47:00,599
this thing is called we really don't yet

878
00:47:05,720 --> 00:47:02,670
have a full idea of the terms of

879
00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:05,730
reference and of course the outputs in

880
00:47:11,390 --> 00:47:08,400
in terms of the data then there's this

881
00:47:14,329 --> 00:47:11,400
complex relationship trying to untangle

882
00:47:18,289 --> 00:47:14,339
how the Pentagon's program is related to

883
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:18,299
work done by Bigelow Aerospace worked on

884
00:47:23,839 --> 00:47:21,210
by the to the Stars Academy so there's a

885
00:47:26,779 --> 00:47:23,849
lot of things that we still don't know

886
00:47:29,630 --> 00:47:26,789
but we are I think we have more

887
00:47:35,569 --> 00:47:29,640
information than we did before December

888
00:47:41,539 --> 00:47:35,579
16th and that's a good thing is it is it

889
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:41,549
okay for the UFO community to I don't

890
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:43,890
know if embraces the right word but to

891
00:47:49,849 --> 00:47:48,450
accept this this Olive Branch that

892
00:47:53,749 --> 00:47:49,859
appears to be happening right now with

893
00:47:58,329 --> 00:47:53,759
the Pentagon or is it not real and would

894
00:48:03,230 --> 00:47:58,339
the mo D do the same thing with the mo d

895
00:48:04,980 --> 00:48:03,240
buddy up with a UK UFO group and

896
00:48:09,510 --> 00:48:04,990
suddenly start disturb

897
00:48:12,780 --> 00:48:09,520
being gun camera videos well first off I

898
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:12,790
I don't think any one person can speak

899
00:48:17,550 --> 00:48:14,890
for the UFO community so I mean I think

900
00:48:20,730 --> 00:48:17,560
people are free to to take this or leave

901
00:48:23,430 --> 00:48:20,740
this to be as accepting or as skeptical

902
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:23,440
as they want I'm not sure I would

903
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:26,530
describe it as a Pentagon olive branch

904
00:48:35,130 --> 00:48:30,130
and certainly my information is that DoD

905
00:48:38,340 --> 00:48:35,140
and DIA personnel involved in this those

906
00:48:43,650 --> 00:48:38,350
still in the system were somewhat at a

907
00:48:46,290 --> 00:48:43,660
loss caught out by by this and you know

908
00:48:49,710 --> 00:48:46,300
so I don't I I don't necessarily call

909
00:48:53,010 --> 00:48:49,720
this an official initiative perhaps not

910
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:53,020
even a quasi official initiative my my

911
00:48:59,130 --> 00:48:56,050
take for what it's worth this is a bunch

912
00:49:01,560 --> 00:48:59,140
of people who looked at this issue from

913
00:49:05,660 --> 00:49:01,570
within government put some of that work

914
00:49:08,700 --> 00:49:05,670
out to contract to Bigelow Aerospace and

915
00:49:12,030 --> 00:49:08,710
elsewhere but for a number of reasons I

916
00:49:13,859 --> 00:49:12,040
think took that subject as far as they

917
00:49:16,020 --> 00:49:13,869
could within the system and they're now

918
00:49:18,150 --> 00:49:16,030
perhaps trying to take it forward

919
00:49:20,060 --> 00:49:18,160
outside of the system as to whether

920
00:49:22,710 --> 00:49:20,070
anyone buys into this both

921
00:49:25,590 --> 00:49:22,720
metaphorically and literally well that's

922
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:25,600
that's up to them caveat emptor I guess

923
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:30,330
I think treat everything with caution

924
00:49:34,620 --> 00:49:32,290
anything in the government world

925
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:34,630
anything in this world of deep

926
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:38,770
classified programs is not always what

927
00:49:45,090 --> 00:49:43,090
it appears to be so so you know tread

928
00:49:47,570 --> 00:49:45,100
carefully as to where that the British

929
00:49:50,990 --> 00:49:47,580
government would do it in a sense we did

930
00:49:54,060 --> 00:49:51,000
a couple of our highly classified

931
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:54,070
programs were certainly put out to

932
00:49:58,920 --> 00:49:56,890
contract on this subject in the same way

933
00:50:01,890 --> 00:49:58,930
that the DIA seems to have done with

934
00:50:05,970 --> 00:50:01,900
Bigelow Aerospace and others project

935
00:50:08,550 --> 00:50:05,980
condign is a good example the classified

936
00:50:10,650 --> 00:50:08,560
intelligence assessment of the UFO

937
00:50:12,300 --> 00:50:10,660
phenomenon that was actually

938
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:12,310
commissioned by the Defense Intelligence

939
00:50:18,050 --> 00:50:15,490
staff I actually helped set it up but it

940
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:18,060
wasn't done by the Defense Intelligence

941
00:50:24,650 --> 00:50:21,450
it was done by a contractor working for

942
00:50:26,990 --> 00:50:24,660
a defense company so so there is some

943
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:27,000
precedent what I call all this you know

944
00:50:32,570 --> 00:50:29,490
from previous discussions we've had I

945
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:32,580
call this disclosure with a little T not

946
00:50:36,890 --> 00:50:35,010
disclosure with a big D disclosure with

947
00:50:38,390 --> 00:50:36,900
a big D is the president saying my

948
00:50:41,330 --> 00:50:38,400
fellow Americans people of the world

949
00:50:43,730 --> 00:50:41,340
we're not alone this is this is not that

950
00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:43,740
scenario but it's it's certainly

951
00:50:54,740 --> 00:50:50,880
something and why why do you think it

952
00:50:58,400 --> 00:50:54,750
has chilled out and not so much with the

953
00:51:00,800 --> 00:50:58,410
community but the mainstream media which

954
00:51:04,730 --> 00:51:00,810
for about six weeks there they had

955
00:51:07,910 --> 00:51:04,740
everything on the headlines is there is

956
00:51:10,790 --> 00:51:07,920
there an issue with the information or

957
00:51:12,650 --> 00:51:10,800
the vetting process because they

958
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:12,660
certainly got the clicks right they got

959
00:51:22,220 --> 00:51:17,130
all of the world you know talking about

960
00:51:24,170 --> 00:51:22,230
this but it seems to have died down is

961
00:51:26,930 --> 00:51:24,180
it because the guy the Pentagon isn't

962
00:51:29,690 --> 00:51:26,940
releasing stuff or maybe that the

963
00:51:31,970 --> 00:51:29,700
mainstream media had their fun with it

964
00:51:33,850 --> 00:51:31,980
and and now we're back you know you know

965
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:33,860
what I mean we're back to where we were

966
00:51:41,870 --> 00:51:38,810
yes I mean in one sense the big news was

967
00:51:45,500 --> 00:51:41,880
although people are obviously focusing

968
00:51:49,070 --> 00:51:45,510
and we're a very visual eye I think and

969
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:49,080
audio orientated society but people have

970
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:51,930
been focusing I would say over focusing

971
00:51:59,570 --> 00:51:56,690
on those clips of Navy Jets chasing an

972
00:52:01,250 --> 00:51:59,580
unidentified object of some sort the

973
00:52:03,770 --> 00:52:01,260
real story of course was just the fact

974
00:52:07,010 --> 00:52:03,780
that the Pentagon was doing this at all

975
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:07,020
when previously if he went on to all the

976
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:09,210
the various government websites that

977
00:52:14,180 --> 00:52:12,090
mentioned UFOs if you found anything at

978
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:14,190
all it would usually say well we had

979
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:16,650
this thing called Project Blue Book but

980
00:52:22,190 --> 00:52:19,530
we got out of that in 1969 and there's

981
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:22,200
no longer any interest or research so

982
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:24,810
the big story in a sense was heck that

983
00:52:30,020 --> 00:52:27,570
didn't actually turn out to be true and

984
00:52:30,770 --> 00:52:30,030
so when the media got over the shock of

985
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:30,780
that

986
00:52:36,260 --> 00:52:33,210
the interest of looking at these these

987
00:52:38,750 --> 00:52:36,270
two or three videos there is a kind of

988
00:52:42,170 --> 00:52:38,760
well where do we go from here question

989
00:52:45,740 --> 00:52:42,180
well unless you have a whole bunch more

990
00:52:48,980 --> 00:52:45,750
material to release analyses and

991
00:52:51,170 --> 00:52:48,990
documents from the program itself in a

992
00:52:53,330 --> 00:52:51,180
sense there's not much more that you can

993
00:52:55,340 --> 00:52:53,340
do and the New York Times has to be

994
00:52:57,170 --> 00:52:55,350
careful this was this was a big story

995
00:53:00,740 --> 00:52:57,180
but yeah I think there's no one's saying

996
00:53:03,590 --> 00:53:00,750
you know a lot of big stories don't find

997
00:53:07,370 --> 00:53:03,600
their way into the post and the times

998
00:53:09,590 --> 00:53:07,380
for example because the times can't ever

999
00:53:11,990 --> 00:53:09,600
end up looking like The Enquirer great

1000
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:12,000
right right and it was dangerously close

1001
00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:16,050
to that and I was very surprised and I

1002
00:53:21,350 --> 00:53:18,960
do want to discuss religion here I was

1003
00:53:25,100 --> 00:53:21,360
also very surprised that with this kind

1004
00:53:26,870 --> 00:53:25,110
of explosive news you know with the New

1005
00:53:30,650 --> 00:53:26,880
York Times then of course CNN the BBC

1006
00:53:34,330 --> 00:53:30,660
and sky and RT everybody came along for

1007
00:53:37,130 --> 00:53:34,340
the ride but one thing didn't happen

1008
00:53:38,900 --> 00:53:37,140
religion didn't collapse the Vatican

1009
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:38,910
didn't freak out the New York Stock

1010
00:53:42,590 --> 00:53:40,770
Exchange didn't implode

1011
00:53:45,770 --> 00:53:42,600
there was no rioting in the streets

1012
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:45,780
which is what we were told was what was

1013
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:49,050
gonna happen and it seemed like we took

1014
00:53:57,430 --> 00:53:51,690
it in stride and I found that

1015
00:54:00,500 --> 00:53:57,440
interesting didn't you yes now back in

1016
00:54:03,950 --> 00:54:00,510
2010 in the UK there were a couple of

1017
00:54:07,070 --> 00:54:03,960
Royal Society discussion meetings that

1018
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:07,080
looked at the societal consequences if

1019
00:54:11,270 --> 00:54:09,210
we discussed if we discover

1020
00:54:14,150 --> 00:54:11,280
extraterrestrial life and one of the big

1021
00:54:17,150 --> 00:54:14,160
conclusions was that there probably

1022
00:54:19,010 --> 00:54:17,160
wouldn't be the big societal shock that

1023
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:19,020
people sometimes talk about all these

1024
00:54:25,310 --> 00:54:22,290
cliches of panic in the streets run for

1025
00:54:28,340 --> 00:54:25,320
the hills collapse the world economic

1026
00:54:30,470 --> 00:54:28,350
system undermine the major religions

1027
00:54:33,470 --> 00:54:30,480
none of those things would actually

1028
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:33,480
happen certainly according to the

1029
00:54:38,030 --> 00:54:36,450
scientists who've looked at a a few of

1030
00:54:40,610 --> 00:54:38,040
these things from within their

1031
00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:40,620
respective fields of psychology for

1032
00:54:44,330 --> 00:54:43,920
example and but religion is back in the

1033
00:54:47,060 --> 00:54:44,340
news

1034
00:54:50,060 --> 00:54:47,070
just today on this very story because

1035
00:54:53,410 --> 00:54:50,070
there was a newspaper article in a UK

1036
00:54:56,930 --> 00:54:53,420
national daily paper which talked about

1037
00:54:59,810 --> 00:54:56,940
how both in the Ministry of Defence UFO

1038
00:55:02,750 --> 00:54:59,820
project and in the Pentagon's program

1039
00:55:05,930 --> 00:55:02,760
there was some pushback actually over

1040
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:05,940
the religion issue not because people

1041
00:55:11,660 --> 00:55:09,210
were fearing a public backlash but

1042
00:55:13,910 --> 00:55:11,670
because senior Pentagon and Ministry of

1043
00:55:17,420 --> 00:55:13,920
Defence officials with deeply held

1044
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:17,430
religious convictions just were deeply

1045
00:55:22,720 --> 00:55:19,410
deeply uncomfortable with the

1046
00:55:25,670 --> 00:55:22,730
implications of the UFO phenomenon the

1047
00:55:29,470 --> 00:55:25,680
the rumor on the streets and I'm gonna

1048
00:55:33,410 --> 00:55:29,480
stay on this religious aspect of it that

1049
00:55:38,690 --> 00:55:33,420
there were some inside of the Pentagon

1050
00:55:42,110 --> 00:55:38,700
and the MIAA and and DoD that were using

1051
00:55:45,950 --> 00:55:42,120
words like demonic right and that's a

1052
00:55:48,830 --> 00:55:45,960
pretty crazy way now is that a is that a

1053
00:55:51,260 --> 00:55:48,840
Christian fundamentalist take on it or

1054
00:55:54,830 --> 00:55:51,270
do you think they actually have some

1055
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:54,840
kind of information that that may lean

1056
00:55:59,870 --> 00:55:57,090
that way and look we don't understand

1057
00:56:02,630 --> 00:55:59,880
really what's going on so for them to

1058
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:02,640
use these kinds of words either they

1059
00:56:11,150 --> 00:56:05,850
know something or maybe it's just based

1060
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:11,160
on belief and a fear well yes absolutely

1061
00:56:19,070 --> 00:56:15,050
this this was I think something that did

1062
00:56:21,850 --> 00:56:19,080
come back to certain people's religious

1063
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:21,860
views Christian I would say

1064
00:56:27,730 --> 00:56:25,170
fundamentalist I didn't ever think I'd

1065
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:27,740
end up quoting the Bible with you know

1066
00:56:34,460 --> 00:56:30,690
no I don't know there's a there's a

1067
00:56:38,020 --> 00:56:34,470
passage in Ephesians where it talks

1068
00:56:41,510 --> 00:56:38,030
about Satan as being and this is the the

1069
00:56:45,740 --> 00:56:41,520
direct quote the Prince of the power of

1070
00:56:48,050 --> 00:56:45,750
the air and I've heard that bandied

1071
00:56:49,820 --> 00:56:48,060
around before by people within

1072
00:56:51,470 --> 00:56:49,830
government and the intelligence

1073
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:51,480
community who've looked at the UFO

1074
00:56:56,530 --> 00:56:54,810
phenomena and yes even though it was

1075
00:57:00,010 --> 00:56:56,540
quite a traumatic headline

1076
00:57:01,990 --> 00:57:00,020
it's true there really do seem to be

1077
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:02,000
some people both at the Pentagon who

1078
00:57:07,660 --> 00:57:04,610
were looking at this and at the mo D who

1079
00:57:11,470 --> 00:57:07,670
thought that this was satanic demonic

1080
00:57:13,350 --> 00:57:11,480
mm-hm and that was why or it was one of

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00:57:16,420 --> 00:57:13,360
the reasons why there was pushback

1082
00:57:19,150 --> 00:57:16,430
Louisa was on dough talked about this it

1083
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:19,160
was a little throwaway line in in a one

1084
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:21,530
of his interviews somewhere but he said

1085
00:57:26,380 --> 00:57:24,050
it was it was the religious worldview of

1086
00:57:29,290 --> 00:57:26,390
some of these people but that said well

1087
00:57:31,750 --> 00:57:29,300
maybe this just can't be or maybe if it

1088
00:57:36,490 --> 00:57:31,760
is it's demonic and it isn't something

1089
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:36,500
we should be looking at DeLong said on

1090
00:57:44,890 --> 00:57:41,290
this program last year sometime

1091
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:44,900
just that he had said and we were doing

1092
00:57:48,700 --> 00:57:46,610
a cat-and-mouse back and forth right I'm

1093
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:48,710
trying to pull information out of him

1094
00:57:54,550 --> 00:57:52,250
and he certainly been a victim of that

1095
00:57:57,610 --> 00:57:54,560
with me Nick in the past and so you know

1096
00:58:00,970 --> 00:57:57,620
when it's fun and as I was getting more

1097
00:58:03,340 --> 00:58:00,980
more information out of him he I had

1098
00:58:03,790 --> 00:58:03,350
said then what are you suggesting here

1099
00:58:08,890 --> 00:58:03,800
tom

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00:58:11,710 --> 00:58:08,900
is the are UFOs religious and he goes

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00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:11,720
bingo I believe I'm paraphrasing but he

1102
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:13,250
goes bingo I said what do you mean well

1103
00:58:20,710 --> 00:58:16,730
you know be careful about what you are

1104
00:58:23,830 --> 00:58:20,720
communicating with when you see the UAP

1105
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:23,840
or UFO because it may not be what you

1106
00:58:30,130 --> 00:58:27,770
think it is and I thought wow and you

1107
00:58:32,820 --> 00:58:30,140
know and he was he was saying that his

1108
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:32,830
insiders have given him this information

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00:58:37,750 --> 00:58:35,930
that's a pretty heavy statement isn't it

1110
00:58:40,870 --> 00:58:37,760
and certainly that would change a

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00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:40,880
worldview it is a heavy statement and

1112
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:44,050
it's I think in one sense it's an

1113
00:58:52,390 --> 00:58:47,810
unhelpful extra layer of complexity

1114
00:58:56,070 --> 00:58:52,400
mm-hmm over this already complex subject

1115
00:58:58,510 --> 00:58:56,080
if you have to factor in not as I say

1116
00:59:00,850 --> 00:58:58,520
anyone worried that releasing this

1117
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:00,860
information is going to impact the world

1118
00:59:05,860 --> 00:59:03,290
religions in some way but just the fact

1119
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:05,870
that the people handling policy for this

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00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:08,810
subject within government think like

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00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:09,850
that

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00:59:16,290 --> 00:59:12,490
did you arrive I've got to take a break

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00:59:18,690 --> 00:59:16,300
here in about 90 seconds did you I know

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00:59:21,630 --> 00:59:18,700
you probably read childhoods end

1125
00:59:23,820 --> 00:59:21,640
did you see the three part or four-part

1126
00:59:29,850 --> 00:59:23,830
miniseries the movie that they made I

1127
00:59:32,850 --> 00:59:29,860
did not okay well in that et looks like

1128
00:59:36,390 --> 00:59:32,860
the devil right he's got wings he's in

1129
00:59:38,700 --> 00:59:36,400
the the full-on hooves he's red he's got

1130
00:59:40,590 --> 00:59:38,710
the horns and he's big and he's

1131
00:59:46,850 --> 00:59:40,600
intimidating but he's a pretty nice guy

1132
00:59:49,860 --> 00:59:46,860
right so we he communicates behind this

1133
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:49,870
two-way mirror right so nobody can see

1134
00:59:53,010 --> 00:59:50,890
what he looks like

1135
00:59:57,810 --> 00:59:53,020
because they don't want to cause world

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01:00:00,210 --> 00:59:57,820
panic ah and that's what I find

1137
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:00,220
interesting too as well and so when I

1138
01:00:06,060 --> 01:00:02,730
think about that Nick do you think maybe

1139
01:00:09,330 --> 01:00:06,070
some of this maybe some of this fear may

1140
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:09,340
be science fiction based yes yes

1141
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:11,410
absolutely and and there's a hugely

1142
01:00:16,740 --> 01:00:14,290
complex two-way street relationship

1143
01:00:21,210 --> 01:00:16,750
between sci-fi and ufology but that's a

1144
01:00:22,980 --> 01:00:21,220
whole other story alright let's let's

1145
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:22,990
take our break right here and we'll pick

1146
01:00:26,790 --> 01:00:24,970
up right where we left off always great

1147
01:00:29,370 --> 01:00:26,800
to have you on the show and we'll

1148
01:00:31,710 --> 01:00:29,380
certainly talk about contacting the

1149
01:00:35,310 --> 01:00:31,720
desert which you'll be talking about out

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01:00:36,930 --> 01:00:35,320
there in just three short weeks and Nick

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01:00:38,490 --> 01:00:36,940
will be back with this when it is

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01:00:41,340 --> 01:00:38,500
Thursday night right Nick you're gonna

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man the phones with me here yes it's

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gonna be great this is fade to black

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host Jimmy Church we'll be right back

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Pope and Nick right before the break but

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talking about religion one of the things

1240
01:05:12,839 --> 01:05:09,430
that I like to contemplate is look it's

1241
01:05:15,870 --> 01:05:12,849
the universe and there could be a

1242
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:15,880
creator of everything that could be what

1243
01:05:23,190 --> 01:05:19,210
everybody is referencing as God okay I'm

1244
01:05:26,519 --> 01:05:23,200
actually okay with that but if if that

1245
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:26,529
is indeed the case who we look at as God

1246
01:05:29,460 --> 01:05:28,690
here it's got to be the same in Zeta

1247
01:05:31,769 --> 01:05:29,470
Reticuli

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01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:31,779
right it's got to be the same in Alpha

1249
01:05:38,700 --> 01:05:34,930
Centauri or any other many other planets

1250
01:05:41,970 --> 01:05:38,710
out there that may have life on it they

1251
01:05:45,539 --> 01:05:41,980
would experience the same thing I would

1252
01:05:49,589 --> 01:05:45,549
have to think and I'm safe in thinking

1253
01:05:53,430 --> 01:05:49,599
that so if that is the case could ET

1254
01:05:56,370 --> 01:05:53,440
actually represent that type of

1255
01:05:58,079 --> 01:05:56,380
situation where maybe that could be the

1256
01:06:00,720 --> 01:05:58,089
creator of the universe that could be

1257
01:06:03,749 --> 01:06:00,730
our God and we don't know it yet in that

1258
01:06:06,450 --> 01:06:03,759
reference well I'm not sure about that

1259
01:06:09,509 --> 01:06:06,460
speaking personally I am actually an

1260
01:06:12,380 --> 01:06:09,519
atheist so I I would say no to that I

1261
01:06:14,700 --> 01:06:12,390
think what if we find other

1262
01:06:16,799 --> 01:06:14,710
civilizations in the universe what we

1263
01:06:19,589 --> 01:06:16,809
might well find is a whole bunch of them

1264
01:06:22,799 --> 01:06:19,599
have different religions just as we have

1265
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:22,809
different religions here on earth we

1266
01:06:27,180 --> 01:06:24,130
might find a whole bunch of

1267
01:06:29,940 --> 01:06:27,190
civilizations have put religion behind

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01:06:32,309 --> 01:06:29,950
them and regarded as superstition so

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01:06:34,410 --> 01:06:32,319
right you know I suspect we'll find

1270
01:06:36,599 --> 01:06:34,420
we'll find a whole bunch of different

1271
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:36,609
things out there in the cosmos when it

1272
01:06:42,329 --> 01:06:39,490
comes to belief but what we'll find in

1273
01:06:45,710 --> 01:06:42,339
terms of actuality I don't know now what

1274
01:06:48,059 --> 01:06:45,720
are you gonna do you and I are out or in

1275
01:06:50,670 --> 01:06:48,069
contact in the desert on the day you and

1276
01:06:54,450 --> 01:06:50,680
I are walking and

1277
01:06:56,100 --> 01:06:54,460
and and suddenly this craft lands in

1278
01:06:58,890 --> 01:06:56,110
front of us and you and I are standing

1279
01:07:01,260 --> 01:06:58,900
there and the ladder comes at you know

1280
01:07:02,790 --> 01:07:01,270
and et starts stepping off and we're

1281
01:07:04,710 --> 01:07:02,800
looking at its feet and you and I are

1282
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:04,720
like wow this is incredible Church it's

1283
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:06,730
you and I here we go

1284
01:07:15,420 --> 01:07:10,570
the first contact and jesus walks off

1285
01:07:18,060 --> 01:07:15,430
the craft a bead I don't even know what

1286
01:07:20,730 --> 01:07:18,070
I would do but well my you know I I

1287
01:07:23,550 --> 01:07:20,740
would say how how do we know it's Jesus

1288
01:07:25,980 --> 01:07:23,560
I mean we've got we've got but I suppose

1289
01:07:28,080 --> 01:07:25,990
a stereotypical idea of what Jesus looks

1290
01:07:30,570 --> 01:07:28,090
like from from a few Hollywood movies

1291
01:07:32,550 --> 01:07:30,580
and things right actually yeah if you

1292
01:07:34,380 --> 01:07:32,560
look at the artwork across the world and

1293
01:07:37,140 --> 01:07:34,390
things there are even different versions

1294
01:07:39,510 --> 01:07:37,150
there so so just because someone comes

1295
01:07:42,210 --> 01:07:39,520
out of a spaceship and looks like our

1296
01:07:43,890 --> 01:07:42,220
version of Jesus from a movie I'm I'm

1297
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:43,900
not gonna think that's Jesus I'm gonna

1298
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:45,970
think okay that's an extraterrestrial

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01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:47,650
and I've got a whole bunch of questions

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01:07:52,500 --> 01:07:49,810
I know and your first thing is gonna be

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you know hi I'm Mick this is Jimmy and

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01:08:01,500 --> 01:07:54,040
you shake his hand and goes hey I'm a

1303
01:08:06,930 --> 01:08:01,510
I'm hey Seuss but the reason why when I

1304
01:08:10,170 --> 01:08:06,940
look at guys like Richard Dawkins right

1305
01:08:12,540 --> 01:08:10,180
and he's got his thing you know Darwin

1306
01:08:15,780 --> 01:08:12,550
and and he is just adamant about it and

1307
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:15,790
he's got it legions of followers and

1308
01:08:22,440 --> 01:08:20,290
fans but I look at it a little bit

1309
01:08:24,660 --> 01:08:22,450
differently in that not in a religious

1310
01:08:27,540 --> 01:08:24,670
way at all but that the universe is

1311
01:08:31,610 --> 01:08:27,550
really old you know possibly infinite

1312
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:31,620
you know it's situations here of age and

1313
01:08:37,230 --> 01:08:34,090
there could be an intelligence out there

1314
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:37,240
that has grown so intelligent over

1315
01:08:42,660 --> 01:08:39,850
billions of years that we don't even

1316
01:08:46,140 --> 01:08:42,670
understand that and we can't relate to

1317
01:08:49,230 --> 01:08:46,150
it but thousands of years ago that

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01:08:52,440 --> 01:08:49,240
intelligence may may have been

1319
01:08:56,180 --> 01:08:52,450
interpreted as religious or a god and

1320
01:08:58,320 --> 01:08:56,190
here we are today 2,000 years later and

1321
01:09:01,440 --> 01:08:58,330
3,000 years later four thousand years

1322
01:09:04,250 --> 01:09:01,450
later and it's now called religion when

1323
01:09:06,140 --> 01:09:04,260
it has nothing to do with that yes I

1324
01:09:07,970 --> 01:09:06,150
I mean in a sense what what you're

1325
01:09:10,550 --> 01:09:07,980
discussing isn't a million miles

1326
01:09:13,310 --> 01:09:10,560
different from I guess ancient astronaut

1327
01:09:16,010 --> 01:09:13,320
theory you know I would characterize it

1328
01:09:19,790 --> 01:09:16,020
a slightly different way arthur c clarke

1329
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:19,800
of course has that very famous quote

1330
01:09:25,490 --> 01:09:22,770
which is any sufficiently advanced

1331
01:09:28,250 --> 01:09:25,500
technology is indistinguishable from

1332
01:09:30,470 --> 01:09:28,260
magic uh true i would turn that around

1333
01:09:34,340 --> 01:09:30,480
and and in the light of what you just

1334
01:09:36,230 --> 01:09:34,350
said and say any sufficiently advanced

1335
01:09:39,710 --> 01:09:36,240
life-form would be indistinguishable

1336
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:39,720
from god right i mean in other words is

1337
01:09:45,110 --> 01:09:42,570
it is it possible to imagine a

1338
01:09:48,590 --> 01:09:45,120
civilization so advanced that it might

1339
01:09:51,230 --> 01:09:48,600
be able to turn water into wine and and

1340
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:51,240
raise the dead and do those sorts of

1341
01:09:58,970 --> 01:09:55,410
things yes absolutely why not that's now

1342
01:10:02,630 --> 01:09:58,980
does that make it God I would say no I

1343
01:10:05,630 --> 01:10:02,640
it makes it like our very human concept

1344
01:10:09,950 --> 01:10:05,640
of what a God should be you're saying

1345
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:09,960
that so in such a profound way that it

1346
01:10:13,940 --> 01:10:11,130
sounds like you're breaking your

1347
01:10:16,610 --> 01:10:13,950
security oath do you know something

1348
01:10:18,710 --> 01:10:16,620
you know yeah I I totally agree with you

1349
01:10:21,890 --> 01:10:18,720
I totally and in fact I think I'm gonna

1350
01:10:22,700 --> 01:10:21,900
steal what you just said all right so

1351
01:10:24,950 --> 01:10:22,710
I'm just learning

1352
01:10:27,650 --> 01:10:24,960
hey I'm letting you know in advance so

1353
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:27,660
when you hear later that I stole it you

1354
01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:30,050
can say well he told me he was going to

1355
01:10:37,220 --> 01:10:34,050
let's talk about alien tech and the

1356
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:37,230
reason why I think this is so important

1357
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:40,650
certainly there is something going on

1358
01:10:42,890 --> 01:10:42,090
with this phenomena that we don't

1359
01:10:45,170 --> 01:10:42,900
understand

1360
01:10:48,290 --> 01:10:45,180
and when I witnessed the things that I

1361
01:10:51,380 --> 01:10:48,300
have seen in the skies I don't know if

1362
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:51,390
it's ours or theirs that you know I

1363
01:10:55,430 --> 01:10:53,130
don't know but it's certainly a

1364
01:10:57,590 --> 01:10:55,440
technology that I don't understand and

1365
01:11:00,040 --> 01:10:57,600
one that hasn't been presented to the

1366
01:11:04,070 --> 01:11:00,050
public or to the world if it is ours

1367
01:11:06,410 --> 01:11:04,080
what do you think is going on there well

1368
01:11:09,370 --> 01:11:06,420
I think in a situation where we can make

1369
01:11:11,930 --> 01:11:09,380
very few assumptions about

1370
01:11:14,480 --> 01:11:11,940
extraterrestrials you know who they are

1371
01:11:16,670 --> 01:11:14,490
why they might come to earth what

1372
01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:16,680
technology they might have I think one

1373
01:11:19,790 --> 01:11:17,489
of the very

1374
01:11:22,220 --> 01:11:19,800
few really good assumptions that we can

1375
01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:22,230
make is that their technology will be

1376
01:11:27,229 --> 01:11:24,449
more advanced than ours self-evidently

1377
01:11:30,290 --> 01:11:27,239
because they come to us and we can't get

1378
01:11:32,569 --> 01:11:30,300
to them the other thing is that part and

1379
01:11:35,239 --> 01:11:32,579
parcel of that technology of course will

1380
01:11:38,330 --> 01:11:35,249
will be I guess the really big thing

1381
01:11:40,879 --> 01:11:38,340
that I would be interested in the

1382
01:11:42,649 --> 01:11:40,889
technology behind interstellar travel

1383
01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:42,659
and I'm talking about viable

1384
01:11:47,359 --> 01:11:45,210
interstellar travel not sending our

1385
01:11:50,299 --> 01:11:47,369
space probes at a speed that might get

1386
01:11:52,609 --> 01:11:50,309
them to the nearest star in 70,000 years

1387
01:11:54,709 --> 01:11:52,619
I'm talking about something a little bit

1388
01:11:57,529 --> 01:11:54,719
quicker and easier than that so so

1389
01:12:05,359 --> 01:11:57,539
exotic propulsion systems and energy

1390
01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:05,369
sources that sort of thing the the

1391
01:12:12,549 --> 01:12:08,730
photograph that you used to have in your

1392
01:12:14,689 --> 01:12:12,559
office the one that disappeared yes okay

1393
01:12:16,459 --> 01:12:14,699
and for those out there if you're

1394
01:12:18,709 --> 01:12:16,469
wondering what we're talking about we're

1395
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:18,719
not gonna revisit the entire story but

1396
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:20,130
you can go back and listen to some of

1397
01:12:25,850 --> 01:12:22,050
Nyx up previous appearances on this

1398
01:12:29,419 --> 01:12:25,860
program and get that but that photograph

1399
01:12:31,310 --> 01:12:29,429
do you think that that what I want you

1400
01:12:34,009 --> 01:12:31,320
to go back to your memory do you think

1401
01:12:37,580 --> 01:12:34,019
that that photograph represents the et

1402
01:12:39,770 --> 01:12:37,590
tech that I'm referencing right now it

1403
01:12:42,470 --> 01:12:39,780
might on the other hand you know you

1404
01:12:44,060 --> 01:12:42,480
could look at that photo and I've been

1405
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:44,070
involved in a fairly realistic

1406
01:12:51,290 --> 01:12:47,610
recreation of it and that's out there we

1407
01:12:54,979 --> 01:12:51,300
did that for a TV show but it could

1408
01:12:58,279 --> 01:12:54,989
simply be a very advanced secret

1409
01:13:00,229 --> 01:12:58,289
prototype spy plane or drone now I I

1410
01:13:03,529 --> 01:13:00,239
don't think so for a number of reasons

1411
01:13:06,290 --> 01:13:03,539
and and it was my predecessor who did

1412
01:13:11,270 --> 01:13:06,300
the investigation into that at the mo DS

1413
01:13:13,310 --> 01:13:11,280
UFO project not me but you know still

1414
01:13:15,529 --> 01:13:13,320
some unanswered questions on that and of

1415
01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:15,539
course until the photo turns up again we

1416
01:13:22,399 --> 01:13:19,170
probably won't know for sure the videos

1417
01:13:24,319 --> 01:13:22,409
that the three videos that we've all

1418
01:13:26,180 --> 01:13:24,329
seen that have surfaced

1419
01:13:28,399 --> 01:13:26,190
they've been out on the net for a long

1420
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:28,409
time and and so forth but they're

1421
01:13:35,010 --> 01:13:30,610
certainly intriguing videos

1422
01:13:39,180 --> 01:13:35,020
in your time at the mo d-did you see any

1423
01:13:42,330 --> 01:13:39,190
gun camera footage from the RAF that

1424
01:13:46,140 --> 01:13:42,340
raised eyebrows for you like these three

1425
01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:46,150
videos have yes but in one sense you

1426
01:13:50,820 --> 01:13:48,130
know it didn't really tell me much more

1427
01:13:53,370 --> 01:13:50,830
than I can learn by looking at these

1428
01:13:56,250 --> 01:13:53,380
these Pentagon videos yes they're

1429
01:13:58,650 --> 01:13:56,260
interesting it tells us that military

1430
01:14:01,410 --> 01:13:58,660
pilots sometimes see things they can't

1431
01:14:03,420 --> 01:14:01,420
identify and sometimes chase them but

1432
01:14:06,450 --> 01:14:03,430
doesn't really tell us much more than

1433
01:14:08,010 --> 01:14:06,460
that now I know that Lewis that was on

1434
01:14:10,620 --> 01:14:08,020
though and a number of the other people

1435
01:14:12,810 --> 01:14:10,630
involved in this have have gone into a

1436
01:14:14,700 --> 01:14:12,820
bit more detail and and that is

1437
01:14:17,250 --> 01:14:14,710
interesting but yes I've seen those

1438
01:14:20,370 --> 01:14:17,260
things it in one sense it gets to the

1439
01:14:23,580 --> 01:14:20,380
central frustration of this the more

1440
01:14:25,440 --> 01:14:23,590
data we get the more questions we have

1441
01:14:29,220 --> 01:14:25,450
and we don't often find our way to an

1442
01:14:32,610 --> 01:14:29,230
answer in those three I just want your

1443
01:14:36,210 --> 01:14:32,620
opinion because of your knowledge of

1444
01:14:39,630 --> 01:14:36,220
this in those three videos that were

1445
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:39,640
released did they what did you think of

1446
01:14:43,380 --> 01:14:41,050
them do you think that you were looking

1447
01:14:45,330 --> 01:14:43,390
at something not of this earth or do you

1448
01:14:50,010 --> 01:14:45,340
think it was something you know much

1449
01:14:51,990 --> 01:14:50,020
more simple and and earthbound I don't

1450
01:14:56,430 --> 01:14:52,000
know when I did this for the Ministry of

1451
01:14:58,680 --> 01:14:56,440
Defence I had imagery analysis resources

1452
01:15:01,440 --> 01:14:58,690
and capabilities available to me that I

1453
01:15:03,630 --> 01:15:01,450
don't have access to now both in terms

1454
01:15:08,550 --> 01:15:03,640
of computer programs and of course the

1455
01:15:10,710 --> 01:15:08,560
the human intelligence personnel doing

1456
01:15:12,930 --> 01:15:10,720
this this sort of job so I know what I

1457
01:15:14,900 --> 01:15:12,940
don't know and I I could not look at

1458
01:15:17,340 --> 01:15:14,910
those videos and give you an informed

1459
01:15:19,860 --> 01:15:17,350
interpretation what I will say is this I

1460
01:15:21,540 --> 01:15:19,870
didn't look at them and say my goodness

1461
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:21,550
this absolutely has to be

1462
01:15:25,590 --> 01:15:23,530
extraterrestrial because it can't be

1463
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:25,600
anything else we simply couldn't do that

1464
01:15:30,270 --> 01:15:28,570
I was not you know that impressed

1465
01:15:36,420 --> 01:15:30,280
looking at them to make that assumption

1466
01:15:38,910 --> 01:15:36,430
and were there when I want you to going

1467
01:15:42,810 --> 01:15:38,920
back to what you saw at the mo D were

1468
01:15:44,250 --> 01:15:42,820
there similar things in the gun camera

1469
01:15:47,790 --> 01:15:44,260
footage that you saw at the M

1470
01:15:52,170 --> 01:15:47,800
d that reminded you of what was in this

1471
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:52,180
footage yes and indeed a lot of what I

1472
01:15:58,800 --> 01:15:54,970
saw was radar rather than visual but

1473
01:16:00,960 --> 01:15:58,810
there was some some visual too and and

1474
01:16:03,330 --> 01:16:00,970
you know it was interesting but it

1475
01:16:05,970 --> 01:16:03,340
didn't necessarily take us to any firm

1476
01:16:07,910 --> 01:16:05,980
conclusion and by the way I should say

1477
01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:07,920
and this is another part of all this

1478
01:16:15,180 --> 01:16:11,170
discussion the Ministry of Defense is in

1479
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:15,190
the final stages of declassifying and

1480
01:16:20,100 --> 01:16:17,890
releasing its its UFO files and and

1481
01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:20,110
that's a process I've been involved with

1482
01:16:23,970 --> 01:16:22,690
and when the last files are out there I

1483
01:16:27,060 --> 01:16:23,980
might be able to say a little bit more

1484
01:16:29,940 --> 01:16:27,070
but again this is part of disclosure

1485
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:29,950
with a little D the Ministry of Defense

1486
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:33,010
and then the National Archives in the UK

1487
01:16:38,730 --> 01:16:36,610
is slowly but surely putting out all the

1488
01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:38,740
files that I was working on when I was

1489
01:16:46,440 --> 01:16:43,210
doing that job so so in a sense every

1490
01:16:48,480 --> 01:16:46,450
day that that comes at the moment it

1491
01:16:51,540 --> 01:16:48,490
seems to be a new story about my old mo

1492
01:16:53,490 --> 01:16:51,550
D job in in the media and and the more

1493
01:16:54,180 --> 01:16:53,500
that's out there the more I'll be able

1494
01:16:58,290 --> 01:16:54,190
to say so

1495
01:17:00,240 --> 01:16:58,300
interesting times what okay

1496
01:17:03,570 --> 01:17:00,250
now let's let's do some rapid fire

1497
01:17:05,820 --> 01:17:03,580
questions here and and let's have some

1498
01:17:08,340 --> 01:17:05,830
fun with this what's the mo DS official

1499
01:17:12,110 --> 01:17:08,350
position have we made contact with ET

1500
01:17:15,030 --> 01:17:12,120
have nay made contact with ET know

1501
01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:15,040
before they formally terminated their

1502
01:17:21,180 --> 01:17:18,250
UFO program in 2009 the official

1503
01:17:23,700 --> 01:17:21,190
position of the mo D was that most of

1504
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:23,710
these sightings on misidentifications

1505
01:17:31,170 --> 01:17:28,090
some can't be explained but they take no

1506
01:17:33,180 --> 01:17:31,180
position on those unexplained cases they

1507
01:17:34,470 --> 01:17:33,190
don't say that they're extraterrestrial

1508
01:17:40,020 --> 01:17:34,480
but neither do they rule out that

1509
01:17:42,950 --> 01:17:40,030
possibility do does the mo D believe

1510
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:42,960
that there is life out there and we are

1511
01:17:47,250 --> 01:17:46,810
being visited or have visited in the

1512
01:17:50,340 --> 01:17:47,260
past

1513
01:17:54,870 --> 01:17:50,350
no the mo D took no formal position on

1514
01:17:57,240 --> 01:17:54,880
that issue is that they said you know

1515
01:17:58,060 --> 01:17:57,250
that the line was and this was the line

1516
01:17:59,830 --> 01:17:58,070
that I had to

1517
01:18:04,900 --> 01:17:59,840
to Parliament the media and the public

1518
01:18:08,020 --> 01:18:04,910
the line was that we effectively have an

1519
01:18:10,300 --> 01:18:08,030
open mind on such questions but take no

1520
01:18:13,690 --> 01:18:10,310
formal position on it you have been

1521
01:18:17,500 --> 01:18:13,700
involved with Rendlesham nearly since

1522
01:18:19,540 --> 01:18:17,510
the very beginning and you've had you've

1523
01:18:22,180 --> 01:18:19,550
got relationships out there that are

1524
01:18:25,060 --> 01:18:22,190
long-standing but that and and your book

1525
01:18:28,230 --> 01:18:25,070
is amazing but putting that to the side

1526
01:18:32,740 --> 01:18:28,240
what is the mo Dee's position on

1527
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:32,750
Rendlesham today has it changed yes and

1528
01:18:37,830 --> 01:18:34,970
no now that's a real government official

1529
01:18:43,270 --> 01:18:37,840
answer for you the the official position

1530
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:43,280
was always that this this incident was

1531
01:18:49,060 --> 01:18:46,970
looked at but no evidence was was found

1532
01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:49,070
of anything of any defense significance

1533
01:18:56,170 --> 01:18:53,570
that said they they took the view the

1534
01:19:01,810 --> 01:18:56,180
official line was that yes the the case

1535
01:19:05,170 --> 01:19:01,820
was still unexplained however with the

1536
01:19:07,450 --> 01:19:05,180
declassification and release of the

1537
01:19:12,550 --> 01:19:07,460
intelligence assessment I mentioned

1538
01:19:14,890 --> 01:19:12,560
earlier project condign there was a new

1539
01:19:18,250 --> 01:19:14,900
admission to that and there was a there

1540
01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:18,260
was a throwaway line in in project

1541
01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:20,930
condign where it said that the

1542
01:19:26,170 --> 01:19:22,850
Rendlesham forest incident was a case

1543
01:19:30,700 --> 01:19:26,180
where it might be postulated that people

1544
01:19:33,100 --> 01:19:30,710
were exposed to UAP radiation for longer

1545
01:19:35,500 --> 01:19:33,110
time periods than would normally be the

1546
01:19:38,350 --> 01:19:35,510
case and that was a direct you know that

1547
01:19:40,870 --> 01:19:38,360
was in this highly classified

1548
01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:40,880
intelligence assessment of the UFO

1549
01:19:45,970 --> 01:19:42,890
phenomena and that's one of the reasons

1550
01:19:49,390 --> 01:19:45,980
that John burrows through the with the

1551
01:19:51,790 --> 01:19:49,400
assistance of of his attorney Pat Fras

1552
01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:51,800
Konya but also with the assistance of

1553
01:19:56,470 --> 01:19:54,410
Senator McCain and Senator McHale and

1554
01:19:58,150 --> 01:19:56,480
some of their staffers that's how John

1555
01:20:01,480 --> 01:19:58,160
burrows was able to get his VA

1556
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:01,490
settlement because of that line in that

1557
01:20:06,970 --> 01:20:04,010
Ministry of Defense intelligence

1558
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:06,980
assessment project condign the reason

1559
01:20:11,050 --> 01:20:09,530
why I have to ask about the mo DS

1560
01:20:13,540 --> 01:20:11,060
official position

1561
01:20:18,040 --> 01:20:13,550
that one line which I have talked to you

1562
01:20:22,590 --> 01:20:18,050
both publicly and privately about is I

1563
01:20:26,740 --> 01:20:22,600
don't interpret that any other way then

1564
01:20:30,730 --> 01:20:26,750
knowledge of not only ETS and UFOs and

1565
01:20:34,230 --> 01:20:30,740
u8u ApS but their effects and they are

1566
01:20:38,830 --> 01:20:34,240
aware of it and they are basing it on

1567
01:20:42,580 --> 01:20:38,840
previous data and I think it's very

1568
01:20:47,350 --> 01:20:42,590
clear there is that a mistake on the mo

1569
01:20:49,990 --> 01:20:47,360
DS part to to make it so obvious about

1570
01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:50,000
aliens but not speak about a publicly

1571
01:20:56,410 --> 01:20:53,810
I'm surprised they didn't redact that

1572
01:20:58,450 --> 01:20:56,420
part of the report to be honest there's

1573
01:21:00,400 --> 01:20:58,460
always a get out cause and if you look

1574
01:21:02,740 --> 01:21:00,410
carefully you'll see that they use the

1575
01:21:05,770 --> 01:21:02,750
phrase they preface that remark with

1576
01:21:06,790 --> 01:21:05,780
might be postulated that so that there's

1577
01:21:09,790 --> 01:21:06,800
always a way out

1578
01:21:13,150 --> 01:21:09,800
to say yes we think they were irradiated

1579
01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:13,160
by something but you know this is just a

1580
01:21:17,710 --> 01:21:14,930
theory and of course they're not

1581
01:21:20,410 --> 01:21:17,720
actually saying what came out and did

1582
01:21:21,790 --> 01:21:20,420
that not it was having said that of

1583
01:21:26,500 --> 01:21:21,800
course it was enough for the VA to

1584
01:21:28,810 --> 01:21:26,510
settle way it was and and they the way

1585
01:21:32,380 --> 01:21:28,820
that they I think they use the word

1586
01:21:35,470 --> 01:21:32,390
exceed and they used the word data and

1587
01:21:37,690 --> 01:21:35,480
and UAP in that sentence and now the the

1588
01:21:39,310 --> 01:21:37,700
paragraph is more complete if you read

1589
01:21:43,180 --> 01:21:39,320
the whole paragraph to me I think it is

1590
01:21:47,500 --> 01:21:43,190
just it's just as explosive as what

1591
01:21:49,450 --> 01:21:47,510
happened on December 16th 2017 oh it is

1592
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:49,460
and and it's important to say that if

1593
01:21:55,420 --> 01:21:52,250
you look at that VA decision they

1594
01:21:57,250 --> 01:21:55,430
actually psyched project condign final

1595
01:21:58,960 --> 01:21:57,260
report as being one of the documents

1596
01:22:01,210 --> 01:21:58,970
that they assessed in making their

1597
01:22:03,070 --> 01:22:01,220
decision so for anyone who says well

1598
01:22:07,660 --> 01:22:03,080
it's not really a link oh yes there is

1599
01:22:12,630 --> 01:22:07,670
yeah now what do we do with what do we

1600
01:22:15,610 --> 01:22:12,640
do with these sightings that that happen

1601
01:22:18,580 --> 01:22:15,620
nearly all the time and certainly with

1602
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:18,590
night vision you know we can go out and

1603
01:22:22,540 --> 01:22:20,690
have these sky watches you know out it

1604
01:22:23,529 --> 01:22:22,550
contact in the desert these different

1605
01:22:26,649 --> 01:22:23,539
get-togethers and we're looking

1606
01:22:30,279 --> 01:22:26,659
and something zigzags through the sky

1607
01:22:34,149 --> 01:22:30,289
and what looks like a plasma light ball

1608
01:22:37,540 --> 01:22:34,159
thing why what what do we do with that

1609
01:22:39,970 --> 01:22:37,550
oh and what I mean by that is it's

1610
01:22:43,299 --> 01:22:39,980
obviously happening up there and these

1611
01:22:45,910 --> 01:22:43,309
sightings are real and and you can go

1612
01:22:49,259 --> 01:22:45,920
see them yourselves what do we do with

1613
01:22:51,640 --> 01:22:49,269
that data and why isn't the government

1614
01:22:53,799 --> 01:22:51,650
responding to that why is it mass media

1615
01:22:56,770 --> 01:22:53,809
responding to these extraordinary things

1616
01:22:58,600 --> 01:22:56,780
that seem to be happening every day well

1617
01:23:00,209 --> 01:22:58,610
I think that goes back to the point that

1618
01:23:03,609 --> 01:23:00,219
I made about the Ministry of Defense

1619
01:23:06,220 --> 01:23:03,619
having imagery analysis resources and

1620
01:23:08,770 --> 01:23:06,230
capabilities because in a sense the

1621
01:23:12,759 --> 01:23:08,780
media have been so busy focusing on on

1622
01:23:15,430 --> 01:23:12,769
just looking at these three videos of

1623
01:23:18,129 --> 01:23:15,440
the Jets chasing the UFOs they haven't

1624
01:23:22,770 --> 01:23:18,139
asked the logical next step question

1625
01:23:25,899 --> 01:23:22,780
well okay what happened when the DIA and

1626
01:23:28,720 --> 01:23:25,909
others got their hands on this and did

1627
01:23:31,060 --> 01:23:28,730
the analysis what did they conclude

1628
01:23:33,939 --> 01:23:31,070
where is the final report now the

1629
01:23:37,209 --> 01:23:33,949
answers to those questions if indeed

1630
01:23:40,029 --> 01:23:37,219
they ever do get revealed will only come

1631
01:23:41,830 --> 01:23:40,039
out when when we get the response to

1632
01:23:43,509 --> 01:23:41,840
some of the Freedom of Information Act

1633
01:23:46,629 --> 01:23:43,519
requests that are currently in the

1634
01:23:48,669 --> 01:23:46,639
system for the the paperwork relating to

1635
01:23:51,279 --> 01:23:48,679
this Pentagon program and and the sort

1636
01:23:53,500 --> 01:23:51,289
of what they did next you know it's no

1637
01:23:55,359 --> 01:23:53,510
good having these videos in one sense

1638
01:23:57,850 --> 01:23:55,369
the real question is well what did you

1639
01:24:00,189 --> 01:23:57,860
do with them and and where where is the

1640
01:24:02,259 --> 01:24:00,199
analysis and what's what's the results

1641
01:24:05,490 --> 01:24:02,269
and can we see them peer-review them

1642
01:24:08,200 --> 01:24:05,500
yeah I have I've been told by different

1643
01:24:10,359 --> 01:24:08,210
quote-unquote insiders out there that

1644
01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:10,369
those reports were written and that they

1645
01:24:14,350 --> 01:24:12,530
have seen them in some some are in

1646
01:24:16,959 --> 01:24:14,360
possession of these and I have said to

1647
01:24:20,799 --> 01:24:16,969
everybody go public with it show it to

1648
01:24:23,589 --> 01:24:20,809
me you know to continue the rabbit-hole

1649
01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:23,599
dissent right where we were in this

1650
01:24:29,709 --> 01:24:26,210
constant circle it's a circle argument

1651
01:24:32,649 --> 01:24:29,719
and until we resolve it with something

1652
01:24:35,319 --> 01:24:32,659
we can stop you know chasing our tails

1653
01:24:36,950 --> 01:24:35,329
and and I hear this all the time but

1654
01:24:38,780 --> 01:24:36,960
Nicky bring up one of the most important

1655
01:24:40,550 --> 01:24:38,790
points if those videos are what they are

1656
01:24:44,150 --> 01:24:40,560
where's the analysis where are the

1657
01:24:46,640 --> 01:24:44,160
reports what did the DoD actually think

1658
01:24:50,900 --> 01:24:46,650
was in these videos you know because

1659
01:24:53,690 --> 01:24:50,910
that that had to have happened yes it if

1660
01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:53,700
it did where are they and I don't know I

1661
01:24:57,080 --> 01:24:55,290
don't know if that's where you need a

1662
01:24:58,700 --> 01:24:57,090
whistle blower that's where you need

1663
01:25:00,050 --> 01:24:58,710
somebody to step forward I don't think

1664
01:25:04,010 --> 01:25:00,060
you're gonna get if they were written

1665
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:04,020
and that the DoD did care then they're

1666
01:25:07,940 --> 01:25:05,730
not gonna release those reports I just

1667
01:25:10,130 --> 01:25:07,950
don't think they would they they may not

1668
01:25:13,130 --> 01:25:10,140
some of the work if it was done by

1669
01:25:14,990 --> 01:25:13,140
defense contractors maybe outside the

1670
01:25:18,290 --> 01:25:15,000
scope of the Freedom of Information Act

1671
01:25:20,660 --> 01:25:18,300
and don't forget that the answer to some

1672
01:25:23,180 --> 01:25:20,670
of this in terms of analysis might just

1673
01:25:26,390 --> 01:25:23,190
be we don't know I mean there could be

1674
01:25:27,830 --> 01:25:26,400
an analysis which simply says and I've

1675
01:25:30,290 --> 01:25:27,840
seen similar things in the Ministry of

1676
01:25:32,240 --> 01:25:30,300
Defence in the UK might simply say yes

1677
01:25:33,950 --> 01:25:32,250
these things are faster than us more

1678
01:25:35,540 --> 01:25:33,960
maneuverable but we don't know what they

1679
01:25:38,060 --> 01:25:35,550
are where they're coming from what they

1680
01:25:40,850 --> 01:25:38,070
want etc that might be all that the

1681
01:25:43,280 --> 01:25:40,860
analysis says and of course we come full

1682
01:25:45,440 --> 01:25:43,290
circle with where we started in in this

1683
01:25:47,660 --> 01:25:45,450
discussion earlier so some of the

1684
01:25:50,120 --> 01:25:47,670
analysis whether they said this in

1685
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:50,130
writing or I I doubt but somebody

1686
01:25:57,830 --> 01:25:51,930
probably looked at it and said you know

1687
01:26:00,110 --> 01:25:57,840
oh demons right right now and I want to

1688
01:26:01,580 --> 01:26:00,120
thank you for coming on tonight we're

1689
01:26:03,560 --> 01:26:01,590
gonna run out of time here so I want to

1690
01:26:05,990 --> 01:26:03,570
get that in in case we do run out of

1691
01:26:12,230 --> 01:26:06,000
time and we'll see on Thursday but the

1692
01:26:15,770 --> 01:26:12,240
the naming of programs with any state is

1693
01:26:18,200 --> 01:26:15,780
a very deliberate thing the the naming

1694
01:26:20,570 --> 01:26:18,210
of programs there isn't a mistake and

1695
01:26:23,780 --> 01:26:20,580
acronyms are important it's just the way

1696
01:26:26,090 --> 01:26:23,790
that the military is and here you

1697
01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:26,100
brought this up earlier we have this

1698
01:26:32,780 --> 01:26:29,930
question now whether it's aerospace or

1699
01:26:35,480 --> 01:26:32,790
aviation when it comes to a tip and

1700
01:26:38,360 --> 01:26:35,490
there's in this Pentagon program if it's

1701
01:26:39,740 --> 01:26:38,370
aerospace then it could be rockets and

1702
01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:39,750
it could be something that's you know

1703
01:26:46,820 --> 01:26:44,090
dealing with space but if it's aviation

1704
01:26:49,430 --> 01:26:46,830
clearly that is a different naming of a

1705
01:26:50,430 --> 01:26:49,440
program with a different intention to it

1706
01:26:54,479 --> 01:26:50,440
which would

1707
01:26:57,900 --> 01:26:54,489
suggest Terrestrial or you know russian

1708
01:27:01,080 --> 01:26:57,910
aircraft or chinese aircraft and your

1709
01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:01,090
experience with the mo D is as that is

1710
01:27:06,780 --> 01:27:04,930
that a correct analysis well I think one

1711
01:27:09,030 --> 01:27:06,790
of my sound bites on all this when the

1712
01:27:11,790 --> 01:27:09,040
story first came out was there's a tea

1713
01:27:14,220 --> 01:27:11,800
and a tip for a reason and the tea of

1714
01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:14,230
course is threat but if you take the new

1715
01:27:20,189 --> 01:27:16,810
name advanced aerospace weapon system

1716
01:27:22,410 --> 01:27:20,199
applications right again applications

1717
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:22,420
it's all about what practical you know

1718
01:27:25,530 --> 01:27:24,010
what are the threats and what are the

1719
01:27:28,500 --> 01:27:25,540
opportunities that's how government

1720
01:27:31,740 --> 01:27:28,510
looks at any situation threats and

1721
01:27:33,450 --> 01:27:31,750
opportunities project condign we only

1722
01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:33,460
have time to talk about this now but we

1723
01:27:37,290 --> 01:27:35,050
can get into it another time project

1724
01:27:40,140 --> 01:27:37,300
condign talked about the potential

1725
01:27:43,010 --> 01:27:40,150
weaponization of this phenomenon and

1726
01:27:46,530 --> 01:27:43,020
that one of the other quotes was novel

1727
01:27:48,720 --> 01:27:46,540
military applications but I don't doubt

1728
01:27:51,830 --> 01:27:48,730
that these people probably looked at

1729
01:27:54,930 --> 01:27:51,840
next generation Russian and Chinese

1730
01:27:59,130 --> 01:27:54,940
aircraft missiles drones and satellites

1731
01:28:01,620 --> 01:27:59,140
too and in fact embedding a UFO research

1732
01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:01,630
program in amongst that is a very good

1733
01:28:08,610 --> 01:28:05,290
place to put put your program and so if

1734
01:28:12,090 --> 01:28:08,620
it let's say that the program is like I

1735
01:28:16,950 --> 01:28:12,100
said if it's aviation do you think it's

1736
01:28:20,430 --> 01:28:16,960
still possible the idea sab acronym when

1737
01:28:23,610 --> 01:28:20,440
I look at that and and my civilian eyes

1738
01:28:26,130 --> 01:28:23,620
are reading it it just sounds like a

1739
01:28:28,260 --> 01:28:26,140
weapons program that could be satellite

1740
01:28:32,430 --> 01:28:28,270
based or otherwise but it's also

1741
01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:32,440
application and I don't see et there you

1742
01:28:37,770 --> 01:28:35,890
know I don't it doesn't feel et to me no

1743
01:28:39,750 --> 01:28:37,780
but then maybe that's the point if you

1744
01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:39,760
were trying to hide a program looking at

1745
01:28:44,850 --> 01:28:42,850
that but then you come back to the point

1746
01:28:47,070 --> 01:28:44,860
that government and the military we

1747
01:28:49,229 --> 01:28:47,080
changed these sorts of titles all the

1748
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:49,239
time my goodness sometimes in my mo D

1749
01:28:54,170 --> 01:28:51,610
career I was working for a division and

1750
01:28:56,370 --> 01:28:54,180
the division would change its title from

1751
01:28:59,580 --> 01:28:56,380
you know one week to the next

1752
01:29:01,979 --> 01:28:59,590
and so well yeah you get you get these

1753
01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:01,989
bureaucratic reorganizations all the

1754
01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:03,610
time and then sometimes

1755
01:29:10,229 --> 01:29:05,290
you manipulate the wording to actually

1756
01:29:11,910 --> 01:29:10,239
hide something who is Nick Pope now over

1757
01:29:16,620 --> 01:29:11,920
at the mo D is that program still

1758
01:29:18,390 --> 01:29:16,630
running no I don't believe it is and if

1759
01:29:20,580 --> 01:29:18,400
the Ministry of Defense are still

1760
01:29:23,340 --> 01:29:20,590
looking at this they are probably

1761
01:29:25,830 --> 01:29:23,350
looking at it through defense

1762
01:29:28,439 --> 01:29:25,840
contractors and in the context of a

1763
01:29:30,590 --> 01:29:28,449
wider program looking at more more

1764
01:29:34,140 --> 01:29:30,600
conventional next-generation

1765
01:29:36,209 --> 01:29:34,150
aerospace and aviation threats but you

1766
01:29:38,850 --> 01:29:36,219
know if a pilot if an Air Force pilot

1767
01:29:40,649 --> 01:29:38,860
sees a UFO and if it gets tracked on

1768
01:29:43,050 --> 01:29:40,659
radar somebody's going to look at that

1769
01:29:46,020 --> 01:29:43,060
it just might not happen in in a

1770
01:29:48,930 --> 01:29:46,030
formally constituted UFO program have

1771
01:29:52,050 --> 01:29:48,940
you been contacted by the mo D since you

1772
01:29:55,830 --> 01:29:52,060
left about information or maybe pulling

1773
01:29:58,680 --> 01:29:55,840
you back in to look at some data no I've

1774
01:30:01,229 --> 01:29:58,690
been involved in the release program of

1775
01:30:03,500 --> 01:30:01,239
these files and I do occasionally have I

1776
01:30:06,840 --> 01:30:03,510
suppose what you call some Bank channel

1777
01:30:09,300 --> 01:30:06,850
contacts with the mo D over a couple of

1778
01:30:11,850 --> 01:30:09,310
issues but there's honestly no truth to

1779
01:30:13,530 --> 01:30:11,860
the Nick Pope still secretly working for

1780
01:30:18,330 --> 01:30:13,540
the government meme that's doing the

1781
01:30:20,669 --> 01:30:18,340
rounds yeah you'll never get away from

1782
01:30:23,399 --> 01:30:20,679
that got that's gonna follow you forever

1783
01:30:27,390 --> 01:30:23,409
but I guess what I'm asking though is if

1784
01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:27,400
a situation would arise do you think

1785
01:30:33,359 --> 01:30:29,770
that they would reach out to you for for

1786
01:30:35,550 --> 01:30:33,369
information yes myself and a handful of

1787
01:30:38,160 --> 01:30:35,560
others who've who've been directly

1788
01:30:41,490 --> 01:30:38,170
involved in this yes it's such a deep

1789
01:30:46,050 --> 01:30:41,500
specialist subject that maybe you never

1790
01:30:47,970 --> 01:30:46,060
really leave in entirety yeah so what

1791
01:30:51,180 --> 01:30:47,980
you're saying is you have an mo D burner

1792
01:30:53,580 --> 01:30:51,190
phone well I'm gonna I'm gonna maybe I

1793
01:30:55,890 --> 01:30:53,590
put it like this I'm on a leash it's a

1794
01:30:59,280 --> 01:30:55,900
very long one but it's still leash Nick

1795
01:31:01,229 --> 01:30:59,290
I want to thank you so much and I'll see

1796
01:31:02,820 --> 01:31:01,239
you on Thursday night we'll open up the

1797
01:31:05,459 --> 01:31:02,830
phone lines and we'll hang out we'll

1798
01:31:07,080 --> 01:31:05,469
have some fun and and we'll field some

1799
01:31:09,780 --> 01:31:07,090
phone calls for an hour thank you so

1800
01:31:11,669 --> 01:31:09,790
much and everybody Nick will be at

1801
01:31:13,530 --> 01:31:11,679
contact in the desert une 1st through

1802
01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:13,540
the 4th along with yours truly and

1803
01:31:17,020 --> 01:31:15,730
everybody else what are you going to be

1804
01:31:19,510 --> 01:31:17,030
talking about out there

1805
01:31:21,910 --> 01:31:19,520
funnily enough my Saturday lecture is

1806
01:31:24,820 --> 01:31:21,920
called alien technology and my Sunday

1807
01:31:27,479 --> 01:31:24,830
workshop is called alien religion from

1808
01:31:30,729 --> 01:31:27,489
an atheist you gotta love that

1809
01:31:32,740 --> 01:31:30,739
Nick thank you so much my friend thank

1810
01:31:34,689 --> 01:31:32,750
you we'll see you Thursday Nick Pope

1811
01:31:36,729 --> 01:31:34,699
everybody again he will be out of

1812
01:31:39,939 --> 01:31:36,739
contact in the desert with us and the

1813
01:31:42,520 --> 01:31:39,949
rest of you and Thursday night he'll be

1814
01:31:44,290 --> 01:31:42,530
back here taking your phone calls thank

1815
01:31:48,240 --> 01:31:44,300
you so much Nick and his new website

1816
01:31:50,439 --> 01:31:48,250
Nick Pope met all of his books are their

1817
01:31:52,209 --> 01:31:50,449
appearances everything is there you can

1818
01:31:54,550 --> 01:31:52,219
go check out Nick Pope dotnet and the

1819
01:31:55,990 --> 01:31:54,560
links are a Jimmy Church radio com

1820
01:31:57,610 --> 01:31:56,000
all right I'm gonna open up the phone

1821
01:31:59,250 --> 01:31:57,620
lines and hang out with all of you

1822
01:32:09,779 --> 01:31:59,260
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I can't tell you all about the benefit

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all right welcome back fade to black I'm

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do that I mean I have I have all the

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okay I'm opening up the phone lines a

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great conversation with Nick Pope as

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always three two three eight two five

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five zero four five let me open up the

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phones over yeah there we go three two

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three eight to five five zero four five

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or three to three to seven 5 9 6 9 5 3

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to 3 8 to 5 5 0 for 5 or 3 2 3 2 7 5 9 6

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9 5 what did you think about that

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conversation see this is the thing and

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I'm gonna get to some other stuff here

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too in a second

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religion yeah this is a very interesting

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take on this one that is discussed some

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01:37:53,860 --> 01:37:51,440
times on this show and I relate so much

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of it to ancient history and loss

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01:37:59,140 --> 01:37:56,840
history and and religions and the

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mystery schools and today

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I find all of that very very interesting

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but the religious aspect which has hit

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the media in the last couple of days

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this I mean there are those that appear

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to be inside of the military-industrial

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complex that are saying just that that

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this demonic is the word that they were

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using and I have to back up and say to

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myself look are they are they sitting on

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information that we don't know

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specifically as to what this is and when

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they say demonic what are they referring

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to here is the Satan as this are these

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01:38:50,459 --> 01:38:47,579
demons as portrayed in different

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religions around the world is it that or

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is it just that it's possible that they

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could have bad intentions and have

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nothing to do with religion I find that

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as interesting as it gets or is it just

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faith inside of the military industrial

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complex it's pretty interesting I'm

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going to take that a bit further let's

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go to the phones hi you're live on fade

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to black who's calling yep from

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Sacramento hi Deb how are you good Jimmy

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I think you just nailed it on your third

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alternative what's that fundamental book

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within the military foundation of maybe

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01:39:39,629 --> 01:39:37,270
what they believe and what they were

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raised to with very traditional stoic

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men who have religious beliefs and they

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equate demons back to the Bible and they

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don't know the true source of what these

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beings are either and so I don't know if

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the word is paranoia I think I think

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that's possible but if they go back to

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the Bible the Bible talks about angels

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and demons and if they don't know what

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these entities are just like a lot of my

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01:40:06,839 --> 01:40:04,570
Christian friends they're gonna say well

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01:40:08,520 --> 01:40:06,849
you worship demons well no I don't

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number one you don't even know what I

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01:40:11,490 --> 01:40:10,119
believe it and then they accuse you of

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worshipping demons because you think

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that God created other beings in the

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universe besides us

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what yes yes and so if we look at it

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that way and I'm talking about the you

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know the hard core religious

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fundamentalists of any background inside

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of the military-industrial complex I

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always imagined it this way okay so

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they've got a big boardroom big meeting

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room inside of the Pentagon and they're

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gonna have a breakfast prayer meeting

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right and so they get together the

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breakfast is laid out and they bring in

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the head of Raytheon to speak to

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01:40:57,310 --> 01:40:53,980
everybody that morning and he says okay

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01:40:59,950 --> 01:40:57,320
got this great new missile it flies

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twice as far twice as fast half of the

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01:41:05,140 --> 01:41:02,950
fuel and it's got twice the amount of

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warhead and we're gonna be able to blow

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up entire cities and we're gonna sell

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these to you cheap and you know that and

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01:41:14,680 --> 01:41:12,710
they'll go oh great that is just amazing

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thank you so much for that we'll buy a

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01:41:24,040 --> 01:41:17,810
couple of hundred of those and now let's

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pray right right and it's a it it it

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01:41:30,850 --> 01:41:27,590
just doesn't go together with me but I

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know that it exists right there's

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there's no way to say that it doesn't

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because it does now if that is the case

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and they are afraid of these craft that

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they can't identify and they want to say

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that they are demonic and it's coming

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from that mindset okay all right let it

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fly I'm okay with that

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everybody's got opinions but the the

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other side of it and the more

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01:42:04,920 --> 01:42:01,670
frightening side of it is what is it

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that they know do they know something

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01:42:12,130 --> 01:42:08,270
specific and Tom DeLonge certainly

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implied last year on fade to black that

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that was the case and to be careful

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01:42:19,960 --> 01:42:17,390
about who you're out there with the ce-5

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01:42:24,960 --> 01:42:19,970
and waving hi to when you see these

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01:42:28,550 --> 01:42:24,970
crafts fly by because it may have a

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01:42:31,580 --> 01:42:28,560
religious aspect to it that you're not

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01:42:34,940 --> 01:42:31,590
wanna mess with so what what what are we

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01:42:36,530 --> 01:42:34,950
dealing with your dad he calls him Tom

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01:42:37,880 --> 01:42:36,540
DeLonge cause when the bugs and he

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01:42:40,430 --> 01:42:37,890
thinks they're really bad and they're

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01:42:43,310 --> 01:42:40,440
here to harm us but I you know that's

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01:42:44,780 --> 01:42:43,320
because of what he's been told how do we

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01:42:46,580 --> 01:42:44,790
know you know just because someone tells

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01:42:48,260 --> 01:42:46,590
you something just like I was ready for

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01:42:50,690 --> 01:42:48,270
my whole life believing the Bible

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01:42:52,430 --> 01:42:50,700
because and I believe in Christianity

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01:42:54,920 --> 01:42:52,440
and everything they taught me born in

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01:42:55,970 --> 01:42:54,930
the blood Baptist and it's like just

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01:42:58,460 --> 01:42:55,980
because that's what you've been told

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01:43:00,320 --> 01:42:58,470
doesn't mean that's really how it is you

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01:43:02,570 --> 01:43:00,330
got at some point learn to separate

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yourself open your mind and look for

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01:43:07,670 --> 01:43:04,860
other things because we've been

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01:43:09,740 --> 01:43:07,680
brainwashed and maybe he has been too I

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01:43:11,300 --> 01:43:09,750
don't know but I don't necessarily

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01:43:14,260 --> 01:43:11,310
believe just because he believes a

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01:43:20,240 --> 01:43:14,270
certain thing about them you know that

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01:43:23,180 --> 01:43:20,250
but that's the way it is the the aspect

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01:43:25,840 --> 01:43:23,190
that you suggested which I agree with by

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01:43:29,210 --> 01:43:25,850
the way well if we go back you know

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01:43:31,250 --> 01:43:29,220
3,000 years go back before Christ let's

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01:43:34,580 --> 01:43:31,260
go back let's go back at 3,000 years

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01:43:35,750 --> 01:43:34,590
4000 years and something strange is in

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01:43:37,970 --> 01:43:35,760
the sky and they come down and make

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01:43:42,620 --> 01:43:37,980
contact share technology move rocks

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01:43:48,610 --> 01:43:42,630
whatever teaches how to make wheels

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01:43:53,090 --> 01:43:48,620
whatever it is right built pyramids

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01:43:54,380 --> 01:43:53,100
domesticate wheat you know whatever it

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01:43:57,800 --> 01:43:54,390
is right give us some really cool

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01:44:03,740 --> 01:43:57,810
technology that we can handle well if

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01:44:07,310 --> 01:44:03,750
you are the leader of said community you

2050
01:44:08,450 --> 01:44:07,320
can't turn around and tell this

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01:44:10,190 --> 01:44:08,460
uneducated

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01:44:11,930 --> 01:44:10,200
there's no colleges right there's

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01:44:16,550 --> 01:44:11,940
something like that going on but you

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01:44:19,400 --> 01:44:16,560
can't teach or suggest to them that they

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01:44:22,790 --> 01:44:19,410
are from another planet that they are

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01:44:23,540 --> 01:44:22,800
the they are from whatever right Zeta

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01:44:28,130 --> 01:44:23,550
Reticuli

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and they're a li can't explain it to him

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01:44:34,850 --> 01:44:29,670
like that the only thing that they would

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01:44:39,320 --> 01:44:34,860
understand is that was God and God gave

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01:44:40,679 --> 01:44:39,330
us wheat today well okay they're gonna

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01:44:45,299 --> 01:44:40,689
understand that

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01:44:48,089 --> 01:44:45,309
and that Dogma gets handed down for

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01:44:51,239 --> 01:44:48,099
centuries and millennia and turns into

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01:44:53,459 --> 01:44:51,249
what it is today that's a pretty simple

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01:45:00,329 --> 01:44:53,469
explanation and one that makes a lot of

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01:45:03,269 --> 01:45:00,339
sense well I agree with you yeah and you

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01:45:05,249 --> 01:45:03,279
know when it comes to the Bible you know

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01:45:07,489 --> 01:45:05,259
since we're talking religion you know I

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01:45:09,599 --> 01:45:07,499
believe there are aspects of the Bible

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01:45:12,629 --> 01:45:09,609
God who looks at you had I'm not too

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01:45:15,419 --> 01:45:12,639
long ago and called them all the Gary's

2073
01:45:18,269 --> 01:45:15,429
or what was he calling him

2074
01:45:20,489 --> 01:45:18,279
what were their like metaphors and the

2075
01:45:23,849 --> 01:45:20,499
Bible is interpretive and the problem is

2076
01:45:26,309 --> 01:45:23,859
a lot of information truth I believe has

2077
01:45:29,069 --> 01:45:26,319
been left out of the Bible and left out

2078
01:45:31,559 --> 01:45:29,079
of the other religious texts all around

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01:45:33,419 --> 01:45:31,569
the world so we don't have the full we

2080
01:45:35,309 --> 01:45:33,429
have puzzle pieces but we don't have the

2081
01:45:36,509 --> 01:45:35,319
full picture and that's the problem and

2082
01:45:39,569 --> 01:45:36,519
they won't give us the full picture

2083
01:45:42,089 --> 01:45:39,579
we're having to continue to dig and

2084
01:45:44,309 --> 01:45:42,099
search for the answers which is you know

2085
01:45:44,939 --> 01:45:44,319
of great that's why this is such a great

2086
01:45:48,869 --> 01:45:44,949
platform

2087
01:45:50,429 --> 01:45:48,879
well should we give our ideas and you

2088
01:45:54,779 --> 01:45:50,439
know listen to different things you know

2089
01:45:56,609 --> 01:45:54,789
what's interesting about that is over

2090
01:46:00,479 --> 01:45:56,619
the past couple of thousand years

2091
01:46:03,749 --> 01:46:00,489
certainly since the council back at 330

2092
01:46:05,489 --> 01:46:03,759
ad if we look at that and you know when

2093
01:46:08,729 --> 01:46:05,499
they assemble the Bible you know the

2094
01:46:13,589 --> 01:46:08,739
first versions of it yeah yeah Council

2095
01:46:17,149 --> 01:46:13,599
of Nicaea since that council the readers

2096
01:46:20,959 --> 01:46:17,159
of different versions of the Bible are

2097
01:46:23,069 --> 01:46:20,969
okay with doing that with saying that

2098
01:46:25,049 --> 01:46:23,079
well there's stuff that we just don't

2099
01:46:28,589 --> 01:46:25,059
know you know we have to trust you know

2100
01:46:32,189 --> 01:46:28,599
yes but it's how you interpret you know

2101
01:46:34,349 --> 01:46:32,199
the meaning is this they are okay with

2102
01:46:37,259 --> 01:46:34,359
that because it has been that way for so

2103
01:46:41,399 --> 01:46:37,269
long that that is just the accepted

2104
01:46:44,039 --> 01:46:41,409
version of the story you know what you

2105
01:46:46,739 --> 01:46:44,049
have to put faith in you have to you

2106
01:46:48,779 --> 01:46:46,749
have to trust yeah there are certain

2107
01:46:49,680 --> 01:46:48,789
things that are being held back there

2108
01:46:51,840 --> 01:46:49,690
were okay with the

2109
01:46:54,300 --> 01:46:51,850
can having secrets they're okay with the

2110
01:46:57,990 --> 01:46:54,310
church having secrets they're okay with

2111
01:47:00,680 --> 01:46:58,000
these secrets and and that you know we

2112
01:47:03,300 --> 01:47:00,690
can't handle it you know and when we do

2113
01:47:05,430 --> 01:47:03,310
when we're at a certain level that

2114
01:47:09,240 --> 01:47:05,440
knowledge will be exposed to us but

2115
01:47:14,130 --> 01:47:09,250
right now you know we're - huh it's it's

2116
01:47:16,920 --> 01:47:14,140
it's it's really funny how that has that

2117
01:47:18,959 --> 01:47:16,930
everybody is okay with it because that

2118
01:47:21,840 --> 01:47:18,969
is what they have been told for so long

2119
01:47:24,840 --> 01:47:21,850
and it could be just as simple as what

2120
01:47:27,120 --> 01:47:24,850
you're saying well the other thing

2121
01:47:28,800 --> 01:47:27,130
that's infuriating to me is when I and I

2122
01:47:30,720 --> 01:47:28,810
try very hard not to get into arguments

2123
01:47:33,120 --> 01:47:30,730
and debates with my Christian friends

2124
01:47:35,130 --> 01:47:33,130
but they you know say well God's not a

2125
01:47:36,330 --> 01:47:35,140
God of confusion and God's very clear

2126
01:47:38,729 --> 01:47:36,340
about you know what you should believe

2127
01:47:40,650 --> 01:47:38,739
in God's a God of love and a Michael

2128
01:47:44,040 --> 01:47:40,660
Scott's a God of love I believe he is

2129
01:47:46,860 --> 01:47:44,050
and it's men that have twisted the truth

2130
01:47:49,380 --> 01:47:46,870
and corrupted the scriptures and and it

2131
01:47:51,900 --> 01:47:49,390
not included everything and it's men who

2132
01:47:54,120 --> 01:47:51,910
put us in war so what do you what do you

2133
01:47:56,850 --> 01:47:54,130
say when you think you know how are you

2134
01:47:58,979 --> 01:47:56,860
about you know all these wars for all

2135
01:48:01,290 --> 01:47:58,989
these centuries you know God is allowing

2136
01:48:03,180 --> 01:48:01,300
these wars to happen so is he a God of

2137
01:48:05,189 --> 01:48:03,190
love will the Bible then immediately

2138
01:48:06,900 --> 01:48:05,199
they always forbade him well the Bible

2139
01:48:08,280 --> 01:48:06,910
says there'll be wars and rumors of wars

2140
01:48:10,050 --> 01:48:08,290
and there's always been Wars all through

2141
01:48:11,880 --> 01:48:10,060
the Bible I said just because there's

2142
01:48:14,370 --> 01:48:11,890
been Wars doesn't mean there should be

2143
01:48:16,560 --> 01:48:14,380
wars yeah yeah you're right about that I

2144
01:48:20,370 --> 01:48:16,570
love there so they're okay with massive

2145
01:48:23,570 --> 01:48:20,380
killing oh you know there's two versions

2146
01:48:28,050 --> 01:48:23,580
of God in the Bible and one of them was

2147
01:48:30,420 --> 01:48:28,060
was a was a was a badass don't question

2148
01:48:32,340 --> 01:48:30,430
about it Deb thank you so much for the

2149
01:48:34,140 --> 01:48:32,350
phone call and we'll see it tomorrow

2150
01:48:36,330 --> 01:48:34,150
night on the show great conversation is

2151
01:48:38,910 --> 01:48:36,340
all thank you take care Thank You Deb

2152
01:48:45,560 --> 01:48:38,920
great great phone call right there

2153
01:49:02,510 --> 01:48:49,080
what are you doing what time is it there

2154
01:49:07,800 --> 01:49:02,520
right now calm down calm down

2155
01:49:11,130 --> 01:49:07,810
but it's 1:45 in the afternoon yes

2156
01:49:13,590 --> 01:49:11,140
oh man I like your side of the world

2157
01:49:17,670 --> 01:49:13,600
not only that see your time traveler see

2158
01:49:21,360 --> 01:49:17,680
actually it's tomorrow there so what's

2159
01:49:24,270 --> 01:49:21,370
on your mind tonight Marilla I had to

2160
01:49:28,020 --> 01:49:24,280
call because it's subject okay close to

2161
01:49:31,560 --> 01:49:28,030
my heart I've calmed down a lot since

2162
01:49:34,710 --> 01:49:31,570
the standoff which is which is good

2163
01:49:37,980 --> 01:49:34,720
because all that is all the things that

2164
01:49:39,750 --> 01:49:37,990
are falling into place and I think I

2165
01:49:43,470 --> 01:49:39,760
wouldn't make sense of everything and I

2166
01:49:47,100 --> 01:49:43,480
feel very free now to be able to talk my

2167
01:49:50,700 --> 01:49:47,110
truth and what I think learning the last

2168
01:49:53,670 --> 01:49:50,710
twenty years or all my life but I've got

2169
01:49:56,670 --> 01:49:53,680
one daughter who 26 having a baby here

2170
01:49:59,460 --> 01:49:56,680
named Sydney that she's uh just

2171
01:50:02,460 --> 01:49:59,470
converted to Islam and she's been

2172
01:50:03,090 --> 01:50:02,470
reading the Quran for quite a few years

2173
01:50:07,110 --> 01:50:03,100
now

2174
01:50:15,200 --> 01:50:07,120
I was brought up a Catholic yeah like in

2175
01:50:18,030 --> 01:50:15,210
Catholic school my other daughter in LA

2176
01:50:25,470 --> 01:50:18,040
with my three grandchildren regardless

2177
01:50:28,160 --> 01:50:25,480
and I see judge in LA Cosi 3 anyway

2178
01:50:32,040 --> 01:50:28,170
she escapes me every Monday morning and

2179
01:50:34,050 --> 01:50:32,050
I listen to the church church you know

2180
01:50:37,260 --> 01:50:34,060
that rich kids them everyone's at church

2181
01:50:38,180 --> 01:50:37,270
and I listened to this to service and

2182
01:50:44,570 --> 01:50:38,190
it's beautiful

2183
01:50:48,300 --> 01:50:44,580
but what I want to say is that I I've

2184
01:50:50,580 --> 01:50:48,310
read a lot like I'm 56

2185
01:50:52,920 --> 01:50:50,590
now but my whole life has been involved

2186
01:50:55,920 --> 01:50:52,930
with like the healing learning or

2187
01:50:57,930 --> 01:50:55,930
geology natural therapy and start

2188
01:51:00,810 --> 01:50:57,940
because I was at Catholic school the

2189
01:51:05,700 --> 01:51:00,820
little girl I also have a real deep

2190
01:51:07,970 --> 01:51:05,710
affinity with Mary and Mary Magdalene

2191
01:51:10,580 --> 01:51:07,980
and the stories of the Bible

2192
01:51:13,830 --> 01:51:10,590
after the girls were born I went and did

2193
01:51:15,180 --> 01:51:13,840
theology so I did to use of theology so

2194
01:51:17,610 --> 01:51:15,190
I got really injured

2195
01:51:21,450 --> 01:51:17,620
the Bible now what I want to say yeah is

2196
01:51:23,670 --> 01:51:21,460
that since descend on us they must need

2197
01:51:26,990 --> 01:51:23,680
to say to black engineer and you've had

2198
01:51:32,430 --> 01:51:27,000
everybody that I've been following since

2199
01:51:35,220 --> 01:51:32,440
before 2010 so the thing is is that

2200
01:51:38,150 --> 01:51:35,230
everything they talk about the Bible is

2201
01:51:41,160 --> 01:51:38,160
what I was learning in theology however

2202
01:51:44,730 --> 01:51:41,170
what what I agree with that lady that

2203
01:51:47,070 --> 01:51:44,740
just right now is that probably when all

2204
01:51:49,200 --> 01:51:47,080
those guys in there so the pentagonal

2205
01:51:52,230 --> 01:51:49,210
died out like that top this whole

2206
01:51:54,570 --> 01:51:52,240
generation die often we our kids are

2207
01:51:57,180 --> 01:51:54,580
then in the Pentagon and so forth these

2208
01:51:59,460 --> 01:51:57,190
subjects are going to be real and

2209
01:52:01,820 --> 01:51:59,470
they're going to be open to you know

2210
01:52:04,890 --> 01:52:01,830
it's gonna be a whole different world

2211
01:52:07,020 --> 01:52:04,900
and I'm excited about that I think I've

2212
01:52:10,920 --> 01:52:07,030
called you a couple of times maybe three

2213
01:52:15,540 --> 01:52:10,930
and I think overexcited and that's

2214
01:52:19,200 --> 01:52:15,550
that's what that's not that's not what's

2215
01:52:22,710 --> 01:52:19,210
only great about where we are today as a

2216
01:52:25,740 --> 01:52:22,720
community but certainly fade to black or

2217
01:52:28,530 --> 01:52:25,750
on stellar the community being able to

2218
01:52:31,290 --> 01:52:28,540
reach out you can call in and talk to me

2219
01:52:39,380 --> 01:52:31,300
you can make friends you made friends

2220
01:52:44,040 --> 01:52:39,390
right the tube and and marveled real

2221
01:52:46,020 --> 01:52:44,050
well I lived in my dreams I lived in my

2222
01:52:48,600 --> 01:52:46,030
channeling whatever I was doing here

2223
01:52:51,270 --> 01:52:48,610
time I lived in my paintings I lived in

2224
01:52:53,760 --> 01:52:51,280
my work thirty years as an outpatient

2225
01:52:57,150 --> 01:52:53,770
artists at Walt Disney for twelve years

2226
01:52:59,820 --> 01:52:57,160
but and I know how easy it is to make

2227
01:53:02,970 --> 01:52:59,830
film look really authentic and real

2228
01:53:05,790 --> 01:53:02,980
sound wise visualize everything well the

2229
01:53:08,880 --> 01:53:05,800
boys were all doing it twenty five years

2230
01:53:11,430 --> 01:53:08,890
ago and I was working with them doing

2231
01:53:13,860 --> 01:53:11,440
the matrix hands it means the boys we're

2232
01:53:16,410 --> 01:53:13,870
doing all sorts of things you can't

2233
01:53:17,940 --> 01:53:16,420
believe it I'd be there you know at

2234
01:53:20,610 --> 01:53:17,950
lunch break and they'd have a light

2235
01:53:26,390 --> 01:53:20,620
metal music playing and they're making

2236
01:53:30,300 --> 01:53:28,919
real and I will we

2237
01:53:34,800 --> 01:53:30,310
and while we're putting them together

2238
01:53:35,850 --> 01:53:34,810
from this madness that it was us I talk

2239
01:53:40,110 --> 01:53:35,860
all the time

2240
01:53:43,500 --> 01:53:40,120
it was conspiracy theories talk all the

2241
01:53:46,500 --> 01:53:43,510
time and the boys always my anger some

2242
01:53:53,130 --> 01:53:46,510
beautiful women animators that I worked

2243
01:53:57,000 --> 01:53:53,140
with right and what is it by but what

2244
01:54:02,720 --> 01:53:58,890
and what does that tell you about our

2245
01:54:06,000 --> 01:54:02,730
future I mean we're in good hands on

2246
01:54:10,320 --> 01:54:06,010
absolutely absolutely yes because what's

2247
01:54:12,270 --> 01:54:10,330
happening now I think and I told now

2248
01:54:14,970 --> 01:54:12,280
because I can talk to the to the girls

2249
01:54:17,100 --> 01:54:14,980
about it other extra dimensional beings

2250
01:54:18,720 --> 01:54:17,110
I can talk about extras intentional this

2251
01:54:21,209 --> 01:54:18,730
and that and they dreams

2252
01:54:23,880 --> 01:54:21,219
Olivia was the Quran she's talking about

2253
01:54:27,090 --> 01:54:23,890
she's talking about things of like she's

2254
01:54:30,930 --> 01:54:27,100
talking about the words that are written

2255
01:54:32,970 --> 01:54:30,940
in the Quran you know historical and I

2256
01:54:35,910 --> 01:54:32,980
started good sites and everything that

2257
01:54:41,810 --> 01:54:35,920
grant in hand talk called cooks about in

2258
01:54:45,600 --> 01:54:41,820
that David Wilcock talks about Linda

2259
01:54:48,030 --> 01:54:45,610
Moulton Howe talks about army who else

2260
01:54:52,229 --> 01:54:48,040
is that Emory blah blah blah blah I

2261
01:54:57,110 --> 01:54:52,239
can't name them all and they're the

2262
01:55:01,410 --> 01:54:57,120
pioneers and we are the followers we are

2263
01:55:05,550 --> 01:55:01,420
that when leaders now our kids are going

2264
01:55:08,040 --> 01:55:05,560
to being in the Pentagon our kids my my

2265
01:55:11,610 --> 01:55:08,050
first granddaughter she's ten in LA

2266
01:55:13,800 --> 01:55:11,620
she's their mother but her best friend I

2267
01:55:16,439 --> 01:55:13,810
mean I went to the amusement park near

2268
01:55:19,500 --> 01:55:16,449
analysis what I find the size of Earth

2269
01:55:21,120 --> 01:55:19,510
Ryan over there but the kids you know

2270
01:55:23,760 --> 01:55:21,130
we're allowed on this one and that one

2271
01:55:25,530 --> 01:55:23,770
and her best friend is but whether I see

2272
01:55:30,590 --> 01:55:25,540
what he want to do like when you

2273
01:55:37,020 --> 01:55:30,600
interest issue I wanna see medical um

2274
01:55:41,919 --> 01:55:37,030
dr. Nessa an area and astronaut doctor

2275
01:55:46,060 --> 01:55:41,929
is 10 and and my seven-year-old

2276
01:55:49,030 --> 01:55:46,070
she is like an encyclopedia but these

2277
01:55:52,270 --> 01:55:49,040
cans are like knowing that already nine

2278
01:55:54,399 --> 01:55:52,280
now I want to study it now that I want

2279
01:55:58,270 --> 01:55:54,409
to talk about it now they're calling

2280
01:56:00,729 --> 01:55:58,280
Nana Nana is alled now that Nana was in

2281
01:56:04,000 --> 01:56:00,739
the 70s and they're landing on the moon

2282
01:56:06,790 --> 01:56:04,010
60s born landing on the moon and then

2283
01:56:16,090 --> 01:56:06,800
they ask you to be holy things and I'm

2284
01:56:19,720 --> 01:56:16,100
getting all my answers from remember

2285
01:56:22,060 --> 01:56:19,730
they're reminding me I need it

2286
01:56:26,939 --> 01:56:22,070
we're in the time sciences 10-year

2287
01:56:30,100 --> 01:56:26,949
periods is like shattering and

2288
01:56:32,709 --> 01:56:30,110
recreating myself again which is what I

2289
01:56:34,930 --> 01:56:32,719
think women do often throughout their

2290
01:56:38,110 --> 01:56:34,940
lives they create themselves after great

2291
01:56:41,050 --> 01:56:38,120
shattering but shattering but not a

2292
01:56:43,510 --> 01:56:41,060
problem like to realize truth another

2293
01:56:49,860 --> 01:56:43,520
problem it's going forward and making

2294
01:56:54,160 --> 01:56:49,870
truth real and tangible and readable and

2295
01:56:57,280 --> 01:56:54,170
talkable between ourselves right and so

2296
01:56:59,560 --> 01:56:57,290
far I so far I've got a little help from

2297
01:57:01,870 --> 01:56:59,570
have knowing no one I'll go a little

2298
01:57:05,410 --> 01:57:01,880
handful with people like I don't see me

2299
01:57:09,910 --> 01:57:05,420
talking that yesterday at all whenever I

2300
01:57:13,330 --> 01:57:09,920
see them and they're - it's good it's

2301
01:57:15,070 --> 01:57:13,340
also good and I driving is anyway than

2302
01:57:18,100 --> 01:57:15,080
to be analyzing everything I'm a

2303
01:57:20,700 --> 01:57:18,110
psychotherapist I did theology but then

2304
01:57:24,459 --> 01:57:20,710
I went and tried 93 is there such heresy

2305
01:57:28,990 --> 01:57:24,469
are seeing any only employers and caring

2306
01:57:33,180 --> 01:57:29,000
and so for the children that there's

2307
01:57:42,610 --> 01:57:38,320
yes yes and and and you have to think

2308
01:57:45,520 --> 01:57:42,620
about this when we were kids I'm talking

2309
01:57:49,090 --> 01:57:45,530
about you and myself right well we were

2310
01:57:52,470 --> 01:57:49,100
kids and we're sitting around you know

2311
01:57:55,890 --> 01:57:52,480
smoking weed in high school and and

2312
01:57:59,250 --> 01:57:55,900
we would go you know one day we're gonna

2313
01:58:02,160 --> 01:57:59,260
run Congress one day we're going to be

2314
01:58:08,610 --> 01:58:02,170
the politicians and and we're gonna make

2315
01:58:11,550 --> 01:58:08,620
weed legal when you can get out and do

2316
01:58:14,700 --> 01:58:11,560
it but but look where we are today right

2317
01:58:18,210 --> 01:58:14,710
and so you and we have to base

2318
01:58:22,170 --> 01:58:18,220
everything on our own experiences so you

2319
01:58:25,500 --> 01:58:22,180
are right in that the generations the

2320
01:58:29,190 --> 01:58:25,510
Millennials and an X Gen that those

2321
01:58:30,870 --> 01:58:29,200
generations are going to eventually be

2322
01:58:32,400 --> 01:58:30,880
the politicians and the world leaders

2323
01:58:36,360 --> 01:58:32,410
and the government leaders and the

2324
01:58:39,390 --> 01:58:36,370
community leaders and they know et is

2325
01:58:41,100 --> 01:58:39,400
real they know we've been visited they

2326
01:58:43,680 --> 01:58:41,110
know that's the way they've been raised

2327
01:58:45,870 --> 01:58:43,690
and there's no what you know what you

2328
01:58:47,760 --> 01:58:45,880
know what my girls they did not how to

2329
01:58:52,320 --> 01:58:47,770
tell the difference between the daemon

2330
01:58:54,690 --> 01:58:52,330
and that's what I'm talking about and so

2331
01:59:06,240 --> 01:58:54,700
that's what shocked me that's that that

2332
01:59:15,750 --> 01:59:06,250
is where we are going to be I oh I do

2333
01:59:19,950 --> 01:59:15,760
every day he's amazing but but see you I

2334
01:59:22,650 --> 01:59:19,960
cannot imagine what it would be like in

2335
01:59:26,100 --> 01:59:22,660
Australia in Parliament and have you

2336
01:59:31,200 --> 01:59:26,110
know everybody up there arguing about et

2337
01:59:35,910 --> 01:59:31,210
but it's gonna happen right no no no one

2338
01:59:38,700 --> 01:59:35,920
does come on the media here well not all

2339
01:59:45,750 --> 01:59:38,710
Pentagon in December came out it was on

2340
01:59:52,880 --> 01:59:45,760
the newsmen and my ransom of us Donna 50

2341
02:00:06,030 --> 02:00:02,180
from it were and now in the 15 people

2342
02:00:09,210 --> 02:00:06,040
looking lovely talking youthful

2343
02:00:13,020 --> 02:00:09,220
and I can do the 50 or a room and colic

2344
02:00:17,300 --> 02:00:13,030
so again I love it um it was really me

2345
02:00:20,070 --> 02:00:17,310
yes I mean suddenly on the morning light

2346
02:00:22,830 --> 02:00:20,080
kind of I have special people friend

2347
02:00:25,979 --> 02:00:22,840
right there yeah add everything and

2348
02:00:30,690 --> 02:00:25,989
science crowns come in and talk about as

2349
02:00:38,250 --> 02:00:30,700
well is not enough for them to run with

2350
02:00:42,420 --> 02:00:38,260
it but my job no income and it's gonna

2351
02:00:44,550 --> 02:00:42,430
happen Marilla I got to I got ahead to a

2352
02:00:46,440 --> 02:00:44,560
break here and take a commercial but

2353
02:00:50,910 --> 02:00:46,450
thank you so much and it's always great

2354
02:00:52,560 --> 02:00:50,920
to hear you boys thank you so much have

2355
02:00:54,930 --> 02:00:52,570
a great rest of your day

2356
02:00:58,490 --> 02:00:54,940
see because out there I'll talk to

2357
02:01:01,170 --> 02:00:58,500
Marilla thank you out there it's her day

2358
02:01:03,180 --> 02:01:01,180
because she's a time traveler she's in

2359
02:01:06,000 --> 02:01:03,190
Australia let's fade to black

2360
02:01:08,970 --> 02:01:06,010
I'm he knows to be Church taking phone

2361
02:01:09,510 --> 02:01:08,980
calls all that fun stuff I'll be right

2362
02:01:13,639 --> 02:01:09,520
back

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02:01:21,000 --> 02:01:13,649
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you're live on fade to black who's

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calling your louder your long hear me

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yes who's calling my name's Mike how you

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doing hi Mike how are you oh I'm great I

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02:06:46,600 --> 02:06:42,890
didn't actually expect to get through

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well yeah da did what's on your mind

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02:06:54,220 --> 02:06:52,730
tonight well quite a few things but I'd

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02:06:57,340 --> 02:06:54,230
like to talk a little bit about on

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02:07:01,090 --> 02:06:57,350
stellar mm-hmm I'm sure you would too

2474
02:07:03,700 --> 02:07:01,100
right you know it's an amazing platform

2475
02:07:06,120 --> 02:07:03,710
and I'm having such a great time over

2476
02:07:10,750 --> 02:07:06,130
there hanging out with everybody but

2477
02:07:14,350 --> 02:07:10,760
what do you want to talk about uh well I

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02:07:17,370 --> 02:07:14,360
created a group on there it's actually

2479
02:07:23,140 --> 02:07:17,380
called creative connections

2480
02:07:23,950 --> 02:07:23,150
it's kind of like oh I'm nervous it's

2481
02:07:27,430 --> 02:07:23,960
okay it's okay

2482
02:07:30,459 --> 02:07:27,440
why did you want to create a group well

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02:07:33,610 --> 02:07:30,469
I wanted as many people to get together

2484
02:07:38,149 --> 02:07:33,620
on there and it's mostly actually about

2485
02:07:47,859 --> 02:07:42,919
in this kind of subject matter a lot of

2486
02:07:51,770 --> 02:07:47,869
here a lot of people talk about how they

2487
02:07:59,000 --> 02:07:51,780
how I think it was the yogi that the

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02:08:05,629 --> 02:07:59,010
Beatles wind saw how he was what was it

2489
02:08:07,370 --> 02:08:05,639
well but my point is Mike it was easy

2490
02:08:11,390 --> 02:08:07,380
for you to set up that group on on

2491
02:08:16,459 --> 02:08:11,400
stellar right absolutely and how many

2492
02:08:21,589 --> 02:08:16,469
how many have joined oh I'm in over 500

2493
02:08:25,459 --> 02:08:21,599
I think new oh holy crap that is amazing

2494
02:08:28,729 --> 02:08:25,469
that is amazing and and you know what's

2495
02:08:30,529 --> 02:08:28,739
really cool and I'm glad that you one

2496
02:08:32,779 --> 02:08:30,539
wanted to set up the group and that it

2497
02:08:37,390 --> 02:08:32,789
was easy to do and now you've got 500

2498
02:08:40,549 --> 02:08:37,400
members because on stellar is such a

2499
02:08:44,359 --> 02:08:40,559
focused focused platform it's not

2500
02:08:46,700 --> 02:08:44,369
focused on you know laser focused it's

2501
02:08:49,520 --> 02:08:46,710
focused on our community but our

2502
02:08:51,350 --> 02:08:49,530
community is broad right so it's not

2503
02:08:54,109 --> 02:08:51,360
just you opposed it's not health and

2504
02:08:58,459 --> 02:08:54,119
wellness it's not near-death experiences

2505
02:09:01,390 --> 02:08:58,469
or Bigfoot or astral projection it's not

2506
02:09:05,479 --> 02:09:01,400
it's it's all of and that is a wide

2507
02:09:08,779 --> 02:09:05,489
stroke of the pen right huge right so

2508
02:09:10,370 --> 02:09:08,789
agree you can leave your politics and

2509
02:09:12,589 --> 02:09:10,380
check that at the door you check your

2510
02:09:15,799 --> 02:09:12,599
attitude at the door you come here and

2511
02:09:19,279 --> 02:09:15,809
hang out but for you to be able to do

2512
02:09:22,839 --> 02:09:19,289
that the reason why in my opinion that

2513
02:09:27,439 --> 02:09:22,849
you were able to gather 500 people in

2514
02:09:31,459 --> 02:09:27,449
your in your group is because unlike

2515
02:09:36,379 --> 02:09:31,469
Facebook or other platforms everything

2516
02:09:37,910 --> 02:09:36,389
is out there so it's it's you're dealing

2517
02:09:40,279 --> 02:09:37,920
with people that have no idea what

2518
02:09:42,529 --> 02:09:40,289
you're talking about but I'm not stellar

2519
02:09:46,339 --> 02:09:42,539
you're able to put this group together

2520
02:09:48,530 --> 02:09:46,349
and and and get a gathering of

2521
02:09:49,880 --> 02:09:48,540
like-minded individuals and I come

2522
02:09:53,840 --> 02:09:49,890
you on that we've only had the platform

2523
02:09:55,880 --> 02:09:53,850
up for and what less than two weeks and

2524
02:09:58,460 --> 02:09:55,890
you've got 500 people if you would have

2525
02:10:00,080 --> 02:09:58,470
done this on Facebook you wouldn't I

2526
02:10:01,760 --> 02:10:00,090
couldn't have done it no way there's not

2527
02:10:04,850 --> 02:10:01,770
that many like-minded people out there

2528
02:10:07,670 --> 02:10:04,860
for that right I don't think so right

2529
02:10:10,190 --> 02:10:07,680
hi it's it's definitely easy this get

2530
02:10:12,560 --> 02:10:10,200
set up and I know that there's a few

2531
02:10:15,170 --> 02:10:12,570
fader knots on there as well and I want

2532
02:10:20,000 --> 02:10:15,180
to give a shout out to them and just

2533
02:10:22,010 --> 02:10:20,010
thought I'd uh yeah thank you for that

2534
02:10:23,810 --> 02:10:22,020
it worked out well on there okay and a

2535
02:10:25,510 --> 02:10:23,820
really quick I've got to get the phone

2536
02:10:27,800 --> 02:10:25,520
calls what's the name of the group

2537
02:10:29,930 --> 02:10:27,810
creative connections Creative

2538
02:10:31,100 --> 02:10:29,940
Connections everybody go join Michael's

2539
02:10:33,470 --> 02:10:31,110
group thank you for the phone call

2540
02:10:35,890 --> 02:10:33,480
Michael all right have a good night

2541
02:10:38,600 --> 02:10:35,900
you too great phone call right there and

2542
02:10:40,670 --> 02:10:38,610
it's one of the one of the wonderful

2543
02:10:45,230 --> 02:10:40,680
things about on stellar first off the

2544
02:10:46,520 --> 02:10:45,240
community is is a large one its large

2545
02:10:48,920 --> 02:10:46,530
we're talking about millions and

2546
02:10:51,290 --> 02:10:48,930
millions and millions of people in the

2547
02:10:54,590 --> 02:10:51,300
paranormal supernatural conspiracy

2548
02:10:59,900 --> 02:10:54,600
community that covers everything right

2549
02:11:03,500 --> 02:10:59,910
but on stellar now has grown so much and

2550
02:11:05,240 --> 02:11:03,510
we're we're barely getting into the beta

2551
02:11:08,120 --> 02:11:05,250
stage which is going to be in the next

2552
02:11:11,690 --> 02:11:08,130
day or two and we're not officially

2553
02:11:14,660 --> 02:11:11,700
launched yet and it's crazy there are

2554
02:11:17,660 --> 02:11:14,670
thousands and thousands of people on on

2555
02:11:19,430 --> 02:11:17,670
stellar right now and you need to go and

2556
02:11:22,340 --> 02:11:19,440
set up your account it's simple to do

2557
02:11:25,100 --> 02:11:22,350
just go to ounce alpha and on alpha dot

2558
02:11:28,430 --> 02:11:25,110
on stellar comm get your account set up

2559
02:11:33,970 --> 02:11:28,440
and and start hanging out it's really

2560
02:11:38,450 --> 02:11:33,980
cool I have I'm looking here I've got

2561
02:11:45,560 --> 02:11:38,460
almost 2,000 friends and I'm followed by

2562
02:11:47,720 --> 02:11:45,570
about 21 22 hundred people and that's

2563
02:11:52,310 --> 02:11:47,730
that's what's going on here right now

2564
02:11:54,710 --> 02:11:52,320
and it's it's a visible community that

2565
02:11:57,230 --> 02:11:54,720
you can go and make a difference for

2566
02:11:58,430 --> 02:11:57,240
yourself and I want I want to say this

2567
02:12:00,439 --> 02:11:58,440
I'm going to

2568
02:12:03,260 --> 02:12:00,449
to the back to the phone calls here in

2569
02:12:07,010 --> 02:12:03,270
just a second I'm gonna say this if you

2570
02:12:10,490 --> 02:12:07,020
one of the coolest things about on

2571
02:12:13,790 --> 02:12:10,500
stellar is this and you need to wrap

2572
02:12:17,120 --> 02:12:13,800
your head around this thought you are

2573
02:12:20,209 --> 02:12:17,130
able to and you maybe you've never done

2574
02:12:25,150 --> 02:12:20,219
this before in your life you are able to

2575
02:12:29,180 --> 02:12:25,160
go write an article maybe post an image

2576
02:12:32,920 --> 02:12:29,190
a photograph in it you are able to write

2577
02:12:36,800 --> 02:12:32,930
an article and post it and immediately

2578
02:12:40,760 --> 02:12:36,810
get it trending and get recognized and

2579
02:12:44,260 --> 02:12:40,770
and have people read your thoughts or

2580
02:12:46,880 --> 02:12:44,270
your research or your concerns and

2581
02:12:48,920 --> 02:12:46,890
you've never been able to do that before

2582
02:12:52,689 --> 02:12:48,930
you can't do that on another social

2583
02:12:57,320 --> 02:12:52,699
media platforms and this is a social

2584
02:12:59,479 --> 02:12:57,330
media platform and everything that you

2585
02:13:02,510 --> 02:12:59,489
want to do you know friends and groups

2586
02:13:04,729 --> 02:13:02,520
and events and and videos and uploads

2587
02:13:07,430 --> 02:13:04,739
and and likes and comments and all of

2588
02:13:10,670 --> 02:13:07,440
that you could it's great for that with

2589
02:13:13,610 --> 02:13:10,680
no advertising but you are able to go

2590
02:13:15,530 --> 02:13:13,620
and write an article when was the last

2591
02:13:18,439 --> 02:13:15,540
time you saw yourself on the bestseller

2592
02:13:22,880 --> 02:13:18,449
list on the New York Times it you know

2593
02:13:24,620 --> 02:13:22,890
but here you can do just that and and go

2594
02:13:27,380 --> 02:13:24,630
and click on the trending page which I'm

2595
02:13:30,350 --> 02:13:27,390
doing right now and I'm looking at this

2596
02:13:33,740 --> 02:13:30,360
trending page and I can go down and look

2597
02:13:36,950 --> 02:13:33,750
at all of these different people that

2598
02:13:40,250 --> 02:13:36,960
are are trending and that you would have

2599
02:13:42,709 --> 02:13:40,260
never have heard from before or they

2600
02:13:47,020 --> 02:13:42,719
would have never been exposed to this

2601
02:13:51,229 --> 02:13:47,030
platform before and it's just absolutely

2602
02:13:53,000 --> 02:13:51,239
stunning to see how many articles by so

2603
02:13:56,120 --> 02:13:53,010
many people that are sitting here

2604
02:13:59,540 --> 02:13:56,130
trending and being read on all subjects

2605
02:14:01,160 --> 02:13:59,550
it is great and that's one of the

2606
02:14:03,530 --> 02:14:01,170
coolest things and honking everybody

2607
02:14:05,540 --> 02:14:03,540
messaging me ah I'll catch up to

2608
02:14:06,919 --> 02:14:05,550
everybody during the break let's go back

2609
02:14:09,340 --> 02:14:06,929
to the phones hi you live on fade to

2610
02:14:11,860 --> 02:14:09,350
black who's calling

2611
02:14:12,880 --> 02:14:11,870
Jimmy darrock tweaking them hey Eric

2612
02:14:20,500 --> 02:14:12,890
awakening man

2613
02:14:22,060 --> 02:14:20,510
I got on Twitter fifty-eight thousand

2614
02:14:26,800 --> 02:14:22,070
tweets ago about two and a half years

2615
02:14:29,680 --> 02:14:26,810
ago I knew that I was you know awakening

2616
02:14:31,720 --> 02:14:29,690
to this whole paranormal UFO you know

2617
02:14:33,280 --> 02:14:31,730
all of it I just it was just you know

2618
02:14:36,160 --> 02:14:33,290
Micah to be quite frank

2619
02:14:37,810 --> 02:14:36,170
for the first 50 years of my life I had

2620
02:14:39,790 --> 02:14:37,820
never used the internet I didn't have a

2621
02:14:42,130 --> 02:14:39,800
computer I didn't have a laptop I had

2622
02:14:42,370 --> 02:14:42,140
nothing I didn't even give it crap about

2623
02:14:44,920 --> 02:14:42,380
it

2624
02:14:47,350 --> 02:14:44,930
right and then I had I went to a really

2625
02:14:48,970 --> 02:14:47,360
heavy illness for about eight months and

2626
02:14:51,220 --> 02:14:48,980
during that time I couldn't work so I

2627
02:14:54,310 --> 02:14:51,230
was just kind of home bored got tired of

2628
02:14:56,170 --> 02:14:54,320
watching TV and you know I just decided

2629
02:14:57,730 --> 02:14:56,180
I'm gonna get myself a laptop and then I

2630
02:15:00,070 --> 02:14:57,740
got in a loose lady said you know you

2631
02:15:01,630 --> 02:15:00,080
ought to get on Twitter and then I met

2632
02:15:04,150 --> 02:15:01,640
John Polk and then it went from there

2633
02:15:06,130 --> 02:15:04,160
so that's so I started wakening to the

2634
02:15:08,500 --> 02:15:06,140
to this reality that we talked about on

2635
02:15:09,850 --> 02:15:08,510
your show you know five nights a week or

2636
02:15:11,440 --> 02:15:09,860
four nights a week or whatever right

2637
02:15:14,560 --> 02:15:11,450
right right

2638
02:15:18,120 --> 02:15:14,570
okay well that answers the that that

2639
02:15:21,340 --> 02:15:18,130
that longing question that everybody has

2640
02:15:22,600 --> 02:15:21,350
all right well good questions for you so

2641
02:15:25,270 --> 02:15:22,610
I want to tell you a really good story

2642
02:15:27,520 --> 02:15:25,280
then now is there and I'm on on stellar

2643
02:15:29,380 --> 02:15:27,530
but is there an app like Twitter in

2644
02:15:30,910 --> 02:15:29,390
other words where you can get an app and

2645
02:15:34,600 --> 02:15:30,920
just click on it or is that not set up

2646
02:15:39,130 --> 02:15:34,610
yet no we have to get the platform solid

2647
02:15:41,830 --> 02:15:39,140
first and as soon as that and then the

2648
02:15:43,570 --> 02:15:41,840
app will follow because there's no sense

2649
02:15:46,000 --> 02:15:43,580
in doing an app at the platforms not

2650
02:15:49,300 --> 02:15:46,010
running they got to work together right

2651
02:15:50,980 --> 02:15:49,310
right okay so there's gonna be Jack's

2652
02:15:53,140 --> 02:15:50,990
gonna be a little bun when we all jump

2653
02:15:54,880 --> 02:15:53,150
over to on stellar okay you know what I

2654
02:15:56,920 --> 02:15:54,890
mean I wonder if that's gonna happen why

2655
02:16:00,520 --> 02:15:56,930
you need the black on on stellar yeah

2656
02:16:04,690 --> 02:16:00,530
and I like Jack as you know and and

2657
02:16:07,210 --> 02:16:04,700
Twitter has been very cool to us and I I

2658
02:16:09,190 --> 02:16:07,220
don't have any issues with Twitter there

2659
02:16:11,020 --> 02:16:09,200
are people that do but the people that

2660
02:16:12,760 --> 02:16:11,030
have issues with Twitter is because

2661
02:16:16,720 --> 02:16:12,770
they're doofuses and they step out of

2662
02:16:18,880 --> 02:16:16,730
line so but if you stay inbounds and you

2663
02:16:20,710 --> 02:16:18,890
play by the rules Twitter's great you

2664
02:16:22,510 --> 02:16:20,720
know Twitter I love it twitter twitter

2665
02:16:24,850 --> 02:16:22,520
is amazing and

2666
02:16:27,280 --> 02:16:24,860
know that I don't know how many

2667
02:16:31,240 --> 02:16:27,290
followers do I have on on Twitter let me

2668
02:16:34,570 --> 02:16:31,250
see oh no no no no no it's nothing like

2669
02:16:35,020 --> 02:16:34,580
that I got like 70 to 78 it's it's up

2670
02:16:37,570 --> 02:16:35,030
there

2671
02:16:39,280 --> 02:16:37,580
he's only falling about 81 people I mean

2672
02:16:41,259 --> 02:16:39,290
I don't I won't feel like I've actually

2673
02:16:42,790 --> 02:16:41,269
fully awakened until one day I looked

2674
02:16:45,759 --> 02:16:42,800
and you followed me on Twitter then I'll

2675
02:16:51,820 --> 02:16:45,769
know that I've awakened oh is that what

2676
02:16:55,180 --> 02:16:51,830
this is about this is about C but I know

2677
02:16:58,540 --> 02:16:55,190
that when I do a tweet it goes out to

2678
02:17:01,540 --> 02:16:58,550
everybody you know and and that's the

2679
02:17:06,339 --> 02:17:01,550
problem that I have with with Facebook

2680
02:17:10,200 --> 02:17:06,349
and YouTube they control who sees what

2681
02:17:13,900 --> 02:17:10,210
and I don't know you know I don't know

2682
02:17:16,120 --> 02:17:13,910
you know I do a post on Facebook I don't

2683
02:17:19,660 --> 02:17:16,130
know if it's if two people are gonna see

2684
02:17:20,709 --> 02:17:19,670
it or 5,000 and I know it's not 5,000

2685
02:17:23,169 --> 02:17:20,719
because they have software that's

2686
02:17:27,850 --> 02:17:23,179
running now and they choke that back but

2687
02:17:29,669 --> 02:17:27,860
on on stellar everybody in your friends

2688
02:17:31,900 --> 02:17:29,679
list is going to see what you post

2689
02:17:33,959 --> 02:17:31,910
everybody you're not gonna get choked

2690
02:17:38,230 --> 02:17:33,969
back you're not gonna get censored and

2691
02:17:41,230 --> 02:17:38,240
that is a paramount paramount on on

2692
02:17:44,440 --> 02:17:41,240
stellar that the reach and you're not

2693
02:17:46,660 --> 02:17:44,450
gonna have I don't think we'll see if

2694
02:17:49,240 --> 02:17:46,670
the software just starts to bog down I

2695
02:17:51,549 --> 02:17:49,250
don't think you need to have a limit on

2696
02:17:55,480 --> 02:17:51,559
your friends list you know how many

2697
02:17:56,080 --> 02:17:55,490
friends I have on my company page for

2698
02:17:58,030 --> 02:17:56,090
fade to black

2699
02:18:01,690 --> 02:17:58,040
I don't know what we have over there but

2700
02:18:03,129 --> 02:18:01,700
it's you know it's 10,000 or 15,000 that

2701
02:18:06,759 --> 02:18:03,139
are over there what's the difference

2702
02:18:08,950 --> 02:18:06,769
with that versus friends why have the

2703
02:18:12,009 --> 02:18:08,960
limit of 5,000 friends I don't know what

2704
02:18:14,169 --> 02:18:12,019
that why that is there I have over on

2705
02:18:16,419 --> 02:18:14,179
Facebook you know what I logged out of

2706
02:18:21,009 --> 02:18:16,429
Facebook today I logged in while I

2707
02:18:22,810 --> 02:18:21,019
logged in for a second to to check on a

2708
02:18:24,310 --> 02:18:22,820
message I was expecting from somebody

2709
02:18:26,200 --> 02:18:24,320
and I logged out I'm not logged into

2710
02:18:29,140 --> 02:18:26,210
Facebook right now and I'm not

2711
02:18:33,689 --> 02:18:29,150
interested in it but so if I was logged

2712
02:18:39,519 --> 02:18:36,669
I don't know a couple of thousand friend

2713
02:18:42,879 --> 02:18:39,529
requests that are sitting there that I

2714
02:18:45,580 --> 02:18:42,889
can't interact with any of them and and

2715
02:18:47,979 --> 02:18:45,590
I can't go through and do anything with

2716
02:18:51,009 --> 02:18:47,989
that and that's not really cool to me

2717
02:18:53,139 --> 02:18:51,019
you know if somebody liked it it you

2718
02:18:54,580 --> 02:18:53,149
know I do that kind of guy you're kind

2719
02:18:56,559 --> 02:18:54,590
of stuck in the middle because you had

2720
02:18:58,269 --> 02:18:56,569
hard urine you're like a plate or not I

2721
02:18:59,830 --> 02:18:58,279
mean you're one of us but then you're in

2722
02:19:01,689 --> 02:18:59,840
the forefront now you're on the radio I

2723
02:19:03,250 --> 02:19:01,699
mean you just don't have the time of the

2724
02:19:04,900 --> 02:19:03,260
day to deal with everybody even though

2725
02:19:06,700 --> 02:19:04,910
in your heart you probably want to I get

2726
02:19:09,120 --> 02:19:06,710
that yeah but you know what there's a

2727
02:19:12,459 --> 02:19:09,130
lot of people out there that want to see

2728
02:19:16,240 --> 02:19:12,469
the images of me cooking ribs on a

2729
02:19:19,780 --> 02:19:16,250
Sunday but you know what I mean and I

2730
02:19:24,219 --> 02:19:19,790
get that and I try to interact with the

2731
02:19:28,389 --> 02:19:24,229
any as many people as I can and and I'm

2732
02:19:31,179 --> 02:19:28,399
I find that part of social media so cool

2733
02:19:34,240 --> 02:19:31,189
that I can really have a real time

2734
02:19:41,620 --> 02:19:34,250
conversation with somebody in Istanbul

2735
02:19:46,599 --> 02:19:41,630
right in in in the UK or or Brazil that

2736
02:19:48,790 --> 02:19:46,609
is that Japan that is so cool you know

2737
02:19:51,250 --> 02:19:48,800
and to have that worldwide connection

2738
02:19:54,460 --> 02:19:51,260
and it's instant well you're gonna have

2739
02:19:56,740 --> 02:19:54,470
that on on stellar and you're not gonna

2740
02:20:00,370 --> 02:19:56,750
get choked back I have gotten messages

2741
02:20:04,809 --> 02:20:00,380
from all around the world on on stellar

2742
02:20:07,599 --> 02:20:04,819
and from so many different countries and

2743
02:20:10,120 --> 02:20:07,609
this this was never you know I know I'm

2744
02:20:12,429 --> 02:20:10,130
talking about internet 101 here and we

2745
02:20:15,519 --> 02:20:12,439
all understand that we can connect

2746
02:20:18,490 --> 02:20:15,529
around the world but please understand

2747
02:20:20,950 --> 02:20:18,500
that we put this platform together and

2748
02:20:22,809 --> 02:20:20,960
launched it two weeks ago and the people

2749
02:20:24,760 --> 02:20:22,819
over at on stellar that and the

2750
02:20:29,290 --> 02:20:24,770
developers that are putting this

2751
02:20:33,610 --> 02:20:29,300
together 24 hours a day have reached out

2752
02:20:36,010 --> 02:20:33,620
to a community that is global and they

2753
02:20:37,719 --> 02:20:36,020
need a voice and they need to get

2754
02:20:39,580 --> 02:20:37,729
together and they don't want their data

2755
02:20:42,189 --> 02:20:39,590
stolen and they don't want to stare at

2756
02:20:43,900 --> 02:20:42,199
ads and they don't want to be censored

2757
02:20:45,871 --> 02:20:43,910
and they want to have a place where they

2758
02:20:48,001 --> 02:20:45,881
can get together and share idea

2759
02:20:51,121 --> 02:20:48,011
and all of this was put together with

2760
02:20:52,940 --> 02:20:51,131
that in mind you know and you go and

2761
02:20:55,560 --> 02:20:52,950
he's surf around him you don't see

2762
02:20:58,381 --> 02:20:55,570
advertising it's just like it's a

2763
02:21:00,841 --> 02:20:58,391
weirdest it's the weirdest thing which

2764
02:21:03,661 --> 02:21:00,851
it's it's all over YouTube

2765
02:21:06,150 --> 02:21:03,671
I have people complaining to me I get

2766
02:21:11,551 --> 02:21:06,160
this email dude man take the ads out of

2767
02:21:15,451 --> 02:21:11,561
YouTube it's like ah you know it's it's

2768
02:21:17,310 --> 02:21:15,461
just and I understand that but it's just

2769
02:21:19,140 --> 02:21:17,320
part of the world that you live in you

2770
02:21:22,850 --> 02:21:19,150
go to YouTube you're going to see

2771
02:21:26,281 --> 02:21:22,860
advertising everybody monetizes YouTube

2772
02:21:28,650 --> 02:21:26,291
right and and so and this is what's

2773
02:21:30,451 --> 02:21:28,660
funny I you know I get these emails dude

2774
02:21:32,161 --> 02:21:30,461
man take your ads off of youtube well

2775
02:21:36,381 --> 02:21:32,171
and then you had the other side of the

2776
02:21:39,091 --> 02:21:36,391
coin you have somebody that is posting

2777
02:21:41,611 --> 02:21:39,101
uploading videos on YouTube YouTube

2778
02:21:44,281 --> 02:21:41,621
decides that they're content shouldn't

2779
02:21:46,621 --> 02:21:44,291
isn't advertiser friendly they remove

2780
02:21:48,571 --> 02:21:46,631
the ads and then they complain Facebook

2781
02:21:50,161 --> 02:21:48,581
took our YouTube took away my

2782
02:21:54,631 --> 02:21:50,171
advertising we'll wait a minute

2783
02:21:57,421 --> 02:21:54,641
do you watch it's like III don't get

2784
02:21:59,551 --> 02:21:57,431
that part of it and that you know the

2785
02:22:03,571 --> 02:21:59,561
shooter that went up and shot up YouTube

2786
02:22:05,761 --> 02:22:03,581
was upset over that so you're not gonna

2787
02:22:08,281 --> 02:22:05,771
have that alright on stellar all right

2788
02:22:10,770 --> 02:22:08,291
so the app they have for you I got asked

2789
02:22:15,091 --> 02:22:10,780
have you been to the integratron or the

2790
02:22:16,951 --> 02:22:15,101
giant rock I drove past it okay so I'm

2791
02:22:18,690 --> 02:22:16,961
just inviting you and read a formally

2792
02:22:21,171 --> 02:22:18,700
and I'll make arrangements however we

2793
02:22:24,361 --> 02:22:21,181
have to but Friday at 1 o'clock at the

2794
02:22:26,551 --> 02:22:24,371
Indian Wells Renaissance Hotel there's a

2795
02:22:29,071 --> 02:22:26,561
convoy rattle sand and a bunch of us are

2796
02:22:31,051 --> 02:22:29,081
gonna go out there it's and we're gonna

2797
02:22:32,100 --> 02:22:31,061
do that so I'm just inviting you to it'd

2798
02:22:33,991 --> 02:22:32,110
be kind of fun we're gonna have a good

2799
02:22:35,611 --> 02:22:34,001
time out there and there's going to be

2800
02:22:37,051 --> 02:22:35,621
some stories being told so it'd be kind

2801
02:22:39,961 --> 02:22:37,061
of cool if you could make it just to let

2802
02:22:42,961 --> 02:22:39,971
you know yeah and thank you for the

2803
02:22:45,060 --> 02:22:42,971
invite definitely if we can't make it do

2804
02:22:46,650 --> 02:22:45,070
me a favor shoot a lot of the video whoa

2805
02:22:49,411 --> 02:22:46,660
you're gonna have your iPad with you

2806
02:22:51,600 --> 02:22:49,421
that thing doesn't ever shut off but

2807
02:22:53,970 --> 02:22:51,610
yeah shoot some video shoot some video

2808
02:22:55,531 --> 02:22:53,980
yeah okay real quick because I know I

2809
02:22:57,871 --> 02:22:55,541
don't want to eat up all this time here

2810
02:22:59,310 --> 02:22:57,881
but this is important I think so you

2811
02:23:01,860 --> 02:22:59,320
know I told you about my sighting

2812
02:23:04,530 --> 02:23:01,870
we can and so the next day I woke up and

2813
02:23:05,850 --> 02:23:04,540
you know I'm sure you know you remember

2814
02:23:07,530 --> 02:23:05,860
that day that or you've seen a few

2815
02:23:09,600 --> 02:23:07,540
things that black triangle I remember

2816
02:23:11,370 --> 02:23:09,610
you talked about you know you wake up

2817
02:23:13,380 --> 02:23:11,380
the next day and you're just you know

2818
02:23:15,330 --> 02:23:13,390
you you're you weren't hallucinating but

2819
02:23:17,340 --> 02:23:15,340
you're just trying to figure it out so I

2820
02:23:19,680 --> 02:23:17,350
actually was trying to kind of debunk my

2821
02:23:22,200 --> 02:23:19,690
own sighting so on my way home I stopped

2822
02:23:25,261 --> 02:23:22,210
in San Mojave California over there at

2823
02:23:27,810 --> 02:23:25,271
the Mojave spaceport where Virgin

2824
02:23:29,130 --> 02:23:27,820
Galactic is and straddle launch Paul

2825
02:23:30,450 --> 02:23:29,140
Allen and they're building those

2826
02:23:31,800 --> 02:23:30,460
spacecraft out there

2827
02:23:34,830 --> 02:23:31,810
yeah I've been and I was kind of blown

2828
02:23:39,660 --> 02:23:34,840
away get out there yet that's got I've

2829
02:23:41,430 --> 02:23:39,670
got pictures of me and Branson Rita what

2830
02:23:44,910 --> 02:23:41,440
ever happened to those pictures I've got

2831
02:23:52,800 --> 02:23:49,410
standing next to the one that crashed

2832
02:23:57,450 --> 02:23:52,810
before a crash on the run out on the

2833
02:23:59,190 --> 02:23:57,460
runway two of us really mm-hmm well they

2834
02:24:01,890 --> 02:23:59,200
just three weeks ago I didn't know this

2835
02:24:04,650 --> 02:24:01,900
so just Friday last week that they did a

2836
02:24:06,810 --> 02:24:04,660
launch and anyway the only reason why I

2837
02:24:09,060 --> 02:24:06,820
brought all that up is uh I had time to

2838
02:24:10,830 --> 02:24:09,070
kill so I went into the I'm not going to

2839
02:24:12,840 --> 02:24:10,840
say where cuz I did talk to a lady that

2840
02:24:14,761 --> 02:24:12,850
worked there I'm not so sure if I should

2841
02:24:17,100 --> 02:24:14,771
reveal her information but she did tell

2842
02:24:18,480 --> 02:24:17,110
me about six or seven minutes of

2843
02:24:21,150 --> 02:24:18,490
information that I found quite

2844
02:24:22,440 --> 02:24:21,160
interesting so I'm not gonna go through

2845
02:24:25,320 --> 02:24:22,450
all that right now but the bottom line

2846
02:24:26,730 --> 02:24:25,330
was at the end of our little chat I said

2847
02:24:29,460 --> 02:24:26,740
to her I said you know I was out there

2848
02:24:32,370 --> 02:24:29,470
at the Mojave Desert the other day and

2849
02:24:33,960 --> 02:24:32,380
ice and I was looking at this tower they

2850
02:24:35,580 --> 02:24:33,970
look like a cell tower but I don't know

2851
02:24:36,960 --> 02:24:35,590
if it was a cell tower for all I know

2852
02:24:39,180 --> 02:24:36,970
could have been some other kind of Tower

2853
02:24:42,030 --> 02:24:39,190
and I said and then all of a sudden this

2854
02:24:44,040 --> 02:24:42,040
orb appeared and I looked at it and then

2855
02:24:45,870 --> 02:24:44,050
I you know I told her the story and then

2856
02:24:47,640 --> 02:24:45,880
she I said to her I looked I said well

2857
02:24:49,830 --> 02:24:47,650
this lady's fly about fifty five six

2858
02:24:52,530 --> 02:24:49,840
years old I said what do you think that

2859
02:24:54,950 --> 02:24:52,540
was and without hesitation she says you

2860
02:24:57,450 --> 02:24:54,960
know we have a lot of exotic technology

2861
02:24:59,250 --> 02:24:57,460
those are exact I mean without even

2862
02:25:02,250 --> 02:24:59,260
missing a beach we have a lot of exotic

2863
02:25:04,200 --> 02:25:02,260
technology I thought to myself man could

2864
02:25:07,050 --> 02:25:04,210
we can we actually have technology that

2865
02:25:09,480 --> 02:25:07,060
would create an illusion have you ever

2866
02:25:12,150 --> 02:25:09,490
thought about that I mean with 5g coming

2867
02:25:12,871 --> 02:25:12,160
and this you know this so-called fake

2868
02:25:14,671 --> 02:25:12,881
alien

2869
02:25:16,680 --> 02:25:14,681
invasion that's been projected since way

2870
02:25:18,331 --> 02:25:16,690
back in order von Braun days it do you

2871
02:25:19,890 --> 02:25:18,341
think that they might already have these

2872
02:25:23,190 --> 02:25:19,900
towers set up or they could actually

2873
02:25:24,631 --> 02:25:23,200
project these objects in the sky to make

2874
02:25:25,860 --> 02:25:24,641
us think that we're seeing things that

2875
02:25:27,930 --> 02:25:25,870
we're not really saying what do you

2876
02:25:32,430 --> 02:25:27,940
think about well have you ever seen the

2877
02:25:35,671 --> 02:25:32,440
concert footage of Ronnie James Dio no

2878
02:25:40,110 --> 02:25:35,681
okay I think you can see it's called do

2879
02:25:43,531 --> 02:25:40,120
returns or do or you know the return and

2880
02:25:46,110 --> 02:25:43,541
and so it's a hologram we've seen Tupac

2881
02:25:49,980 --> 02:25:46,120
and and all that stuff but you watch

2882
02:25:53,631 --> 02:25:49,990
that that kind of those concerts they

2883
02:25:58,980 --> 02:25:53,641
that they did it was deal on tour and

2884
02:26:01,470 --> 02:25:58,990
this hologram of him is so bleep and

2885
02:26:03,541 --> 02:26:01,480
real I'm Syria and it's fun to watch

2886
02:26:06,571 --> 02:26:03,551
you're watching it and you're like no

2887
02:26:08,220 --> 02:26:06,581
way right and you think it's gonna be

2888
02:26:10,860 --> 02:26:08,230
cartoonish and you're gonna think it's

2889
02:26:15,631 --> 02:26:10,870
gonna be washed out or whatever it is

2890
02:26:22,860 --> 02:26:15,641
it's Ronnie so now it could they turn

2891
02:26:24,451 --> 02:26:22,870
around and do that in the sky if that if

2892
02:26:27,150 --> 02:26:24,461
the technology is commercially available

2893
02:26:30,241 --> 02:26:27,160
where you can go and do a concert tour

2894
02:26:32,310 --> 02:26:30,251
with Ronnie do and and sell tickets for

2895
02:26:36,211 --> 02:26:32,320
that and then what is the technology

2896
02:26:38,461 --> 02:26:36,221
that is available to the military right

2897
02:26:43,230 --> 02:26:38,471
at another level

2898
02:26:46,711 --> 02:26:43,240
could it be impossible the answer is yes

2899
02:26:50,390 --> 02:26:46,721
now man

2900
02:26:53,281 --> 02:26:50,400
do you remember contact in the desert

2901
02:26:56,281 --> 02:26:53,291
last year the close encounters when they

2902
02:26:59,341 --> 02:26:56,291
did the hologram out in the desert with

2903
02:27:02,041 --> 02:26:59,351
the with the Close Encounters flying

2904
02:27:04,171 --> 02:27:02,051
saucer out there in the desert oh I

2905
02:27:06,211 --> 02:27:04,181
didn't see that was last year that was I

2906
02:27:08,791 --> 02:27:06,221
didn't see that part okay

2907
02:27:11,371 --> 02:27:08,801
I'm telling I don't a real UFO this guy

2908
02:27:13,980 --> 02:27:11,381
no no no no there's about 20 of us I

2909
02:27:15,871 --> 02:27:13,990
call that no no no this so they

2910
02:27:19,411 --> 02:27:15,881
projected this hologram out in the

2911
02:27:21,180 --> 02:27:19,421
desert of this flying saucer with lights

2912
02:27:22,110 --> 02:27:21,190
blinking on it sitting out is about a

2913
02:27:24,480 --> 02:27:22,120
quarter mile away

2914
02:27:27,301 --> 02:27:24,490
out in the desert behind the main stage

2915
02:27:29,160 --> 02:27:27,311
at night and I'm telling you I I was

2916
02:27:32,280 --> 02:27:29,170
sitting right there with Rita and

2917
02:27:34,801 --> 02:27:32,290
Victoria and a bunch of the fader nots

2918
02:27:39,710 --> 02:27:34,811
and I'm looking out at that thing and I

2919
02:27:42,750 --> 02:27:39,720
said to everybody if I if I was a dick I

2920
02:27:45,990 --> 02:27:42,760
would take a picture of this right now

2921
02:27:48,710 --> 02:27:46,000
with my cellphone and it will shoot a

2922
02:27:54,690 --> 02:27:48,720
video and post this up right now because

2923
02:27:56,850 --> 02:27:54,700
this it's real it's real it's a hologram

2924
02:28:00,810 --> 02:27:56,860
it's out in the desert but you if you

2925
02:28:02,790 --> 02:28:00,820
shot a video of that you know and you

2926
02:28:04,200 --> 02:28:02,800
know the concert footage right and you

2927
02:28:06,540 --> 02:28:04,210
go oh my god what's that any pan the

2928
02:28:09,120 --> 02:28:06,550
camera out and you're shooting the video

2929
02:28:13,860 --> 02:28:09,130
of this craft with blinking lights out

2930
02:28:17,970 --> 02:28:13,870
in the desert you zoom in on it and that

2931
02:28:22,230 --> 02:28:17,980
it's a real video it's not CGI multiple

2932
02:28:24,690 --> 02:28:22,240
people that's not what I'm saying here

2933
02:28:29,640 --> 02:28:24,700
I'm saying that if I did that I am

2934
02:28:31,530 --> 02:28:29,650
shooting a real video it's not CG it's

2935
02:28:33,990 --> 02:28:31,540
not something that's edited in it's not

2936
02:28:35,551 --> 02:28:34,000
after effect it's a real video of a

2937
02:28:37,350 --> 02:28:35,561
craft that's sitting out in the middle

2938
02:28:39,690 --> 02:28:37,360
of the desert the craft happens to be a

2939
02:28:41,970 --> 02:28:39,700
hologram but that doesn't matter the

2940
02:28:44,460 --> 02:28:41,980
point is it would be a convincing video

2941
02:28:46,410 --> 02:28:44,470
because the video is real and I can have

2942
02:28:48,000 --> 02:28:46,420
people's reaction I could have ever but

2943
02:28:51,270 --> 02:28:48,010
we could be pointing at it we can and

2944
02:28:54,511 --> 02:28:51,280
but I'm not that kind of person but if

2945
02:28:56,640 --> 02:28:54,521
that can be done right then what and

2946
02:28:59,250 --> 02:28:56,650
that's commercially available technology

2947
02:29:02,430 --> 02:28:59,260
well what is what does the Department of

2948
02:29:04,440 --> 02:29:02,440
Defense have at their disposal probably

2949
02:29:06,870 --> 02:29:04,450
something pretty convincing would they

2950
02:29:09,270 --> 02:29:06,880
use it for what Greer and others are

2951
02:29:11,280 --> 02:29:09,280
talking about you know there's this fake

2952
02:29:13,230 --> 02:29:11,290
alien invasion and that would be the

2953
02:29:15,960 --> 02:29:13,240
next step and this would be the great

2954
02:29:18,030 --> 02:29:15,970
false flag and you know what Ronald

2955
02:29:20,930 --> 02:29:18,040
Reagan was talking about if we had this

2956
02:29:23,970 --> 02:29:20,940
threat you know from from outer space

2957
02:29:27,930 --> 02:29:23,980
would they use it for those purposes my

2958
02:29:30,390 --> 02:29:27,940
point is I made this before Eric it

2959
02:29:34,870 --> 02:29:30,400
would only work for so long

2960
02:29:37,541 --> 02:29:34,880
why because it's a hologram and

2961
02:29:40,480 --> 02:29:37,551
if if you saw something like that or I

2962
02:29:42,190 --> 02:29:40,490
did and you take your ar-15 of which you

2963
02:29:44,921 --> 02:29:42,200
probably have 10 at your house and you

2964
02:29:47,140 --> 02:29:44,931
go outside and you start shooting your

2965
02:29:48,671 --> 02:29:47,150
ar-15 at this thing and you realize that

2966
02:29:52,301 --> 02:29:48,681
the bullets are going straight through

2967
02:29:54,400 --> 02:29:52,311
it and that it's a projection then you

2968
02:29:57,251 --> 02:29:54,410
know the the great hoax is off the great

2969
02:30:00,930 --> 02:29:57,261
alien invasion is off you you go and you

2970
02:30:03,970 --> 02:30:00,940
you start flying these things around

2971
02:30:05,530 --> 02:30:03,980
over Europe and somebody decides to

2972
02:30:07,060 --> 02:30:05,540
start shooting missiles at it and the

2973
02:30:08,501 --> 02:30:07,070
missiles are passing straight through it

2974
02:30:10,990 --> 02:30:08,511
and they realize that I was showing up

2975
02:30:14,680 --> 02:30:11,000
on radar and planes start driving

2976
02:30:17,171 --> 02:30:14,690
through it whatever and and and the

2977
02:30:21,041 --> 02:30:17,181
other part is the you got to get this

2978
02:30:24,820 --> 02:30:21,051
hologram to shoot back right or it's not

2979
02:30:26,560 --> 02:30:24,830
an invasion it's so so it's useless so

2980
02:30:30,100 --> 02:30:26,570
that's my that's my whole thing and I

2981
02:30:33,461 --> 02:30:30,110
just it would only work for its shock

2982
02:30:36,400 --> 02:30:33,471
value for a few seconds but once it's

2983
02:30:39,041 --> 02:30:36,410
you know it's not shooting back you're

2984
02:30:40,390 --> 02:30:39,051
flying plane I gotta give the last party

2985
02:30:42,041 --> 02:30:40,400
this is one minute maybe one and a half

2986
02:30:44,051 --> 02:30:42,051
minutes because this is the 180 that

2987
02:30:47,110 --> 02:30:44,061
I've been saving for yeah okay this is

2988
02:30:50,650 --> 02:30:47,120
the best part of my call this true story

2989
02:30:52,631 --> 02:30:50,660
so so Friday I couldn't weirdly oddly

2990
02:30:55,150 --> 02:30:52,641
enough I was out there those were

2991
02:30:57,070 --> 02:30:55,160
supposed to be cell towers I picked up

2992
02:30:59,200 --> 02:30:57,080
my phone and tried to call everybody and

2993
02:31:01,600 --> 02:30:59,210
I couldn't get any phone service that

2994
02:31:03,190 --> 02:31:01,610
zero bars is that no service I couldn't

2995
02:31:05,711 --> 02:31:03,200
figure that out but the next day I

2996
02:31:08,171 --> 02:31:05,721
called up this guy that I met in Sedona

2997
02:31:09,820 --> 02:31:08,181
named Tom dango who's a kind of you ever

2998
02:31:12,341 --> 02:31:09,830
heard of him he's he's been retired from

2999
02:31:15,160 --> 02:31:12,351
the community for about ten years but he

3000
02:31:18,940 --> 02:31:15,170
is a psychic and also a remote viewer

3001
02:31:20,711 --> 02:31:18,950
and and I told him the story and he says

3002
02:31:23,801 --> 02:31:20,721
wow that's interesting and then and then

3003
02:31:26,140 --> 02:31:23,811
he calls me back later in the day and he

3004
02:31:27,850 --> 02:31:26,150
said that he remote viewed that area

3005
02:31:31,060 --> 02:31:27,860
that I was at and I'm not making this up

3006
02:31:34,301 --> 02:31:31,070
and he said that he was trying to remote

3007
02:31:37,150 --> 02:31:34,311
you the orb and then all and he said

3008
02:31:38,890 --> 02:31:37,160
that these humanoid beings I know this

3009
02:31:40,390 --> 02:31:38,900
is gonna sound crazy and but it's the

3010
02:31:41,740 --> 02:31:40,400
truth I'm not making this up these

3011
02:31:43,900 --> 02:31:41,750
humanoid beings and there's very

3012
02:31:46,330 --> 02:31:43,910
beautiful colorful shiny outfits

3013
02:31:48,310 --> 02:31:46,340
all of them two men and two women that

3014
02:31:48,610 --> 02:31:48,320
kind of looked Chinese lateen about bite

3015
02:31:52,091 --> 02:31:48,620
the

3016
02:31:53,970 --> 02:31:52,101
Paul appeared in his in his remote view

3017
02:31:56,740 --> 02:31:53,980
vision and he had a conversation with

3018
02:31:59,290 --> 02:31:56,750
and they said that they were some from

3019
02:32:02,320 --> 02:31:59,300
some stars some star system that I've

3020
02:32:04,150 --> 02:32:02,330
never heard of before penpen a fall or

3021
02:32:05,290 --> 02:32:04,160
pennis and of something or another I

3022
02:32:09,210 --> 02:32:05,300
can't remember right now

3023
02:32:11,980 --> 02:32:09,220
and so then Tom asked these guys he said

3024
02:32:14,320 --> 02:32:11,990
what what did you see Eric out there

3025
02:32:15,670 --> 02:32:14,330
what interest do you have in Eric and I

3026
02:32:19,570 --> 02:32:15,680
didn't know he was gonna do this and

3027
02:32:22,120 --> 02:32:19,580
they told Tom that this I swear to God

3028
02:32:23,770 --> 02:32:22,130
because we are the Watchers and we have

3029
02:32:26,650 --> 02:32:23,780
been watching Eric since he was five

3030
02:32:29,261 --> 02:32:26,660
years old we we watched Eric when we was

3031
02:32:32,591 --> 02:32:29,271
five and he met us when he was 10 but he

3032
02:32:35,200 --> 02:32:32,601
probably won't remember that and that

3033
02:32:37,091 --> 02:32:35,210
blew my mind so now I'm down with gonna

3034
02:32:39,011 --> 02:32:37,101
get some regression therapy I got a note

3035
02:32:40,841 --> 02:32:39,021
this is real or if this what the deal is

3036
02:32:44,261 --> 02:32:40,851
but that's a true story I just told you

3037
02:32:45,551 --> 02:32:44,271
hmm very interesting I thought it was

3038
02:32:48,400 --> 02:32:45,561
interesting too yeah very interesting

3039
02:32:50,140 --> 02:32:48,410
it's great when I got ahead to a

3040
02:32:51,761 --> 02:32:50,150
commercial Eric and as always thank you

3041
02:32:54,580 --> 02:32:51,771
for calling in but it's funny we need

3042
02:32:57,430 --> 02:32:54,590
right before Eric tells the story he

3043
02:32:58,020 --> 02:32:57,440
always says and this is true it's a true

3044
02:33:02,130 --> 02:32:58,030
story

3045
02:33:04,570 --> 02:33:02,140
Eric we love you man and they wrote

3046
02:33:06,400 --> 02:33:04,580
Rosen you got bored of seeing a contact

3047
02:33:08,770 --> 02:33:06,410
you got it thank you so much everybody

3048
02:33:10,870 --> 02:33:08,780
let's take a commercial break right here

3049
02:33:12,400 --> 02:33:10,880
love it when you get the phone call from

3050
02:33:15,460 --> 02:33:12,410
Eric you never know what's about to

3051
02:33:16,930 --> 02:33:15,470
happen when Eric calls into the show

3052
02:33:19,000 --> 02:33:16,940
this is fade to black I'm your host

3053
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Jimmy Church I'm gonna keep the lines

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something but you know what I'm enjoying

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welcome back fade to black I'm male

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shimmy Church keeping the phone lines

3136
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open I had a whole thing I was gonna

3137
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read I've been trying to get this done

3138
02:38:11,409 --> 02:38:05,609
and one night I'm just going to I'm

3139
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gonna do a show with me write with me

3140
02:38:16,880 --> 02:38:13,890
I've got stuff you know I've got stuff

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that I want to present and read and and

3142
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get out there so one night I swear

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that's it that's it I'm just it's it's

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gonna be it's good to be me night I need

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me time let's go to the phones hi your

3146
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life I'm fade to black who's calling

3147
02:38:36,769 --> 02:38:33,959
okay hello yeah turn me down in the

3148
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background oh sorry about that yeah I

3149
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can't do that can't do that

3150
02:38:44,420 --> 02:38:41,640
okay who's calling hey this is Pat hey

3151
02:38:51,619 --> 02:38:44,430
Pat Pat from Illinois what's and what

3152
02:38:53,960 --> 02:38:51,629
city briefs where's that you know where

3153
02:38:56,540 --> 02:38:53,970
Carlyle lake is oh man do you how many

3154
02:39:03,409 --> 02:38:56,550
lakes are in Illinois you're playing

3155
02:39:05,750 --> 02:39:03,419
Evan that's largest one in Illinois you

3156
02:39:07,909 --> 02:39:05,760
know it's funny I went and looked it's

3157
02:39:10,519 --> 02:39:07,919
funny you bring that up had last week I

3158
02:39:12,319 --> 02:39:10,529
was surfing around looking at different

3159
02:39:13,819 --> 02:39:12,329
places that I've lived you know and

3160
02:39:17,449 --> 02:39:13,829
looking at the old houses and schools

3161
02:39:20,029 --> 02:39:17,459
and stuff and I zoomed back and I found

3162
02:39:22,790 --> 02:39:20,039
Diamond Lake you know near Mundelein and

3163
02:39:26,029 --> 02:39:22,800
Tim on the one and I assumed back off of

3164
02:39:28,729 --> 02:39:26,039
that and there's like right there it's

3165
02:39:30,590 --> 02:39:28,739
like 50 lakes and I forgot you know

3166
02:39:33,139 --> 02:39:30,600
Crystal Lake and all these lakes that I

3167
02:39:35,869 --> 02:39:33,149
used to go to when I was a kid and I

3168
02:39:38,540 --> 02:39:35,879
just I forgot about how many lakes are

3169
02:39:41,630 --> 02:39:38,550
there in in northern Illinois

3170
02:39:45,050 --> 02:39:41,640
I can't speak for southern you know

3171
02:39:47,840 --> 02:39:45,060
again about 45 minutes oh yeah yeah

3172
02:39:51,011 --> 02:39:47,850
you're southern so the same amount

3173
02:39:53,051 --> 02:39:51,021
though a lot of lakes down there

3174
02:39:54,370 --> 02:39:53,061
yeah lots of little lakes a lot of

3175
02:39:56,921 --> 02:39:54,380
farmers building their own lakes you

3176
02:39:59,230 --> 02:39:56,931
know so yeah right right okay so what's

3177
02:40:00,761 --> 02:39:59,240
on your mind tonight hey I was calling

3178
02:40:02,980 --> 02:40:00,771
up to tell you about the first time I

3179
02:40:05,620 --> 02:40:02,990
ever experienced the paranormal okay

3180
02:40:07,870 --> 02:40:05,630
when I'm 16 yeah a buddy of mine his

3181
02:40:09,730 --> 02:40:07,880
parents go out for the weekend he calls

3182
02:40:11,230 --> 02:40:09,740
me says hey man come on over we were

3183
02:40:13,240 --> 02:40:11,240
young we go over there we're just

3184
02:40:14,890 --> 02:40:13,250
watching movies all of a sudden you know

3185
02:40:15,970 --> 02:40:14,900
it's about time to go to bed he's like

3186
02:40:17,801 --> 02:40:15,980
oh man you know I'll set you up

3187
02:40:20,560 --> 02:40:17,811
downstairs in the basement all right

3188
02:40:22,211 --> 02:40:20,570
that's cool we go down there so on the

3189
02:40:23,381 --> 02:40:22,221
way down the stairs he's got a dog and

3190
02:40:25,301 --> 02:40:23,391
that dog starts staring at me and

3191
02:40:27,430 --> 02:40:25,311
barking I'm like what in the world he

3192
02:40:29,381 --> 02:40:27,440
goes just sidestep so I sidestep and the

3193
02:40:30,280 --> 02:40:29,391
dog staring in the same spot should have

3194
02:40:33,310 --> 02:40:30,290
known something then

3195
02:40:33,761 --> 02:40:33,320
so bypassed that go downstairs lay in

3196
02:40:35,200 --> 02:40:33,771
the bed

3197
02:40:36,671 --> 02:40:35,210
I'm laying there he goes in his room

3198
02:40:39,011 --> 02:40:36,681
which is in the basement he shuts his

3199
02:40:41,680 --> 02:40:39,021
door right and I'm laying there and all

3200
02:40:43,600 --> 02:40:41,690
of a sudden I feel like something's next

3201
02:40:45,490 --> 02:40:43,610
to me and I'm like man Jay his name was

3202
02:40:47,921 --> 02:40:45,500
Jay I said man go back to bed dude quit

3203
02:40:49,660 --> 02:40:47,931
bugging me you know and I said a couple

3204
02:40:51,790 --> 02:40:49,670
times finally I yelled you know I'm like

3205
02:40:53,350 --> 02:40:51,800
dude seriously and he yells from his

3206
02:40:56,410 --> 02:40:53,360
room he's like what are you yelling

3207
02:40:57,940 --> 02:40:56,420
about I'm like wonder how so as I'm

3208
02:40:59,530 --> 02:40:57,950
laying there I turned my face towards

3209
02:41:01,301 --> 02:40:59,540
the wall all of a sudden somebody's hand

3210
02:41:03,461 --> 02:41:01,311
grabs my shoulder

3211
02:41:04,660 --> 02:41:03,471
I couldn't yell I couldn't move I felt

3212
02:41:07,570 --> 02:41:04,670
pins and needles throughout in the whole

3213
02:41:09,220 --> 02:41:07,580
body all of a sudden I kept pushing and

3214
02:41:10,780 --> 02:41:09,230
it was like it just broke and when it

3215
02:41:14,921 --> 02:41:10,790
did I kind of rolled off the bed when I

3216
02:41:17,320 --> 02:41:14,931
did I swear I see a mist and it just

3217
02:41:20,801 --> 02:41:17,330
that's kind of like a lady kinda and it

3218
02:41:22,301 --> 02:41:20,811
just floated away okay boom I jump up in

3219
02:41:23,830 --> 02:41:22,311
the bed cover my head up and I'm like oh

3220
02:41:25,240 --> 02:41:23,840
man what in the world I'm tripping out

3221
02:41:27,580 --> 02:41:25,250
something sad I don't know what's going

3222
02:41:28,870 --> 02:41:27,590
on never said nothing to it next day

3223
02:41:30,551 --> 02:41:28,880
calls me up he goes hey you want to come

3224
02:41:32,020 --> 02:41:30,561
spend the night again I'm like hey I

3225
02:41:33,370 --> 02:41:32,030
need to talk to you about something man

3226
02:41:35,051 --> 02:41:33,380
you're gonna think this is weird I said

3227
02:41:36,850 --> 02:41:35,061
but while I was there some weird stuff

3228
02:41:39,520 --> 02:41:36,860
happening was oh man don't say nothing

3229
02:41:40,870 --> 02:41:39,530
I'm like what it was Ben I'll come over

3230
02:41:42,551 --> 02:41:40,880
and talk to you he comes over and

3231
02:41:44,410 --> 02:41:42,561
proceeded to tell me that there's

3232
02:41:47,230 --> 02:41:44,420
somebody in the house it's a woman and

3233
02:41:49,480 --> 02:41:47,240
at nighttime it used to tell stories to

3234
02:41:53,200 --> 02:41:49,490
his sister his sister at the time was

3235
02:41:54,881 --> 02:41:53,210
like 7 or 8 years old oh man and it

3236
02:41:58,000 --> 02:41:54,891
would move keys and anything you would

3237
02:41:59,410 --> 02:41:58,010
set down in the house it would move and

3238
02:42:01,841 --> 02:41:59,420
it would just sit there and make weird

3239
02:42:03,250 --> 02:42:01,851
noises for people and that's why they

3240
02:42:04,631 --> 02:42:03,260
wouldn't invite people to the house I

3241
02:42:05,051 --> 02:42:04,641
was the first person ever went to his

3242
02:42:06,281 --> 02:42:05,061
house and

3243
02:42:08,381 --> 02:42:06,291
stay tonight with him you know because

3244
02:42:09,730 --> 02:42:08,391
he's like only the family knows well

3245
02:42:11,140 --> 02:42:09,740
after that I knew his family and I

3246
02:42:13,060 --> 02:42:11,150
talked to his family told him I said man

3247
02:42:14,741 --> 02:42:13,070
why didn't you guys tell us he was well

3248
02:42:16,511 --> 02:42:14,751
we didn't want to you know we don't tell

3249
02:42:19,480 --> 02:42:16,521
nobody that and then one of the kids

3250
02:42:21,640 --> 02:42:19,490
goes yeah the grandpa was down there and

3251
02:42:24,970 --> 02:42:21,650
it choked him and I was like oh man oh

3252
02:42:28,690 --> 02:42:24,980
man okay so so I got to ask you Pat did

3253
02:42:31,451 --> 02:42:28,700
he describe you didn't he was telling

3254
02:42:34,810 --> 02:42:31,461
you right okay so the only person that

3255
02:42:36,610 --> 02:42:34,820
actually that would talk to the girl was

3256
02:42:38,171 --> 02:42:36,620
his sister which like I said was like

3257
02:42:39,520 --> 02:42:38,181
seven or eight years old but that lady

3258
02:42:41,711 --> 02:42:39,530
would go in there and read stories at

3259
02:42:43,451 --> 02:42:41,721
night because he actually caught her and

3260
02:42:45,190 --> 02:42:43,461
it disappeared but he didn't see it

3261
02:42:46,331 --> 02:42:45,200
disappear because he didn't see it but

3262
02:42:47,531 --> 02:42:46,341
when he walked into the room because he

3263
02:42:49,600 --> 02:42:47,541
heard his sister he's like who are you

3264
02:42:51,310 --> 02:42:49,610
talking to and she turned around looked

3265
02:42:53,381 --> 02:42:51,320
and says the lady tells me stories at

3266
02:42:54,940 --> 02:42:53,391
night when I can't sleep they're telling

3267
02:42:56,801 --> 02:42:54,950
me this after you know I've already

3268
02:43:00,400 --> 02:42:56,811
spent the night dude I've never went

3269
02:43:03,341 --> 02:43:00,410
back to that house now when he did he

3270
02:43:11,140 --> 02:43:03,351
described what she looked like to you

3271
02:43:13,841 --> 02:43:11,150
before you told him no no okay I'm

3272
02:43:17,680 --> 02:43:13,851
wondering it's obviously well it should

3273
02:43:20,110 --> 02:43:17,690
be the same entity yeah it's the same

3274
02:43:22,211 --> 02:43:20,120
they actually had a paranormal group go

3275
02:43:23,560 --> 02:43:22,221
out there and actually said that there's

3276
02:43:27,011 --> 02:43:23,570
something in the house but that's all

3277
02:43:29,110 --> 02:43:27,021
they would tell them very dead still

3278
02:43:34,331 --> 02:43:29,120
owned the house and live there now let's

3279
02:43:37,631 --> 02:43:34,341
go back to your experience did you hear

3280
02:43:39,850 --> 02:43:37,641
anything was there any contact no like I

3281
02:43:42,220 --> 02:43:39,860
said it it touched my shoulder and I

3282
02:43:43,480 --> 02:43:42,230
couldn't move like if you're laying on

3283
02:43:44,770 --> 02:43:43,490
your side you're trying to roll back

3284
02:43:46,451 --> 02:43:44,780
over I couldn't roll over because

3285
02:43:49,270 --> 02:43:46,461
somebody it felt like somebody's hand

3286
02:43:50,591 --> 02:43:49,280
was pushing me and letting me turn over

3287
02:43:51,730 --> 02:43:50,601
and it was like pins and needles

3288
02:43:53,291 --> 02:43:51,740
throughout my body

3289
02:43:55,301 --> 02:43:53,301
Wow when your foot falls asleep and you

3290
02:43:57,341 --> 02:43:55,311
feel the pins and needles yeah that was

3291
02:43:59,110 --> 02:43:57,351
my whole body and I couldn't move but

3292
02:44:00,491 --> 02:43:59,120
like I said I finally broke it and when

3293
02:44:02,591 --> 02:44:00,501
I did I rolled over because I was

3294
02:44:03,881 --> 02:44:02,601
pushing so hard it just I guess when it

3295
02:44:05,770 --> 02:44:03,891
stopped touching me out rolled and when

3296
02:44:07,961 --> 02:44:05,780
I did fell off you know the bed a little

3297
02:44:09,491 --> 02:44:07,971
bit looked up and I just seen a mist and

3298
02:44:11,350 --> 02:44:09,501
it was kind of a shape of a lady like

3299
02:44:13,751 --> 02:44:11,360
just floating and went off and like I

3300
02:44:15,850 --> 02:44:13,761
said I jumped back up blanket over my

3301
02:44:17,980 --> 02:44:15,860
head and was like okay how do you know

3302
02:44:18,711 --> 02:44:17,990
Pat that it was a lady why do you say

3303
02:44:21,921 --> 02:44:18,721
that

3304
02:44:24,740 --> 02:44:21,931
because it the figure was like a gown

3305
02:44:28,030 --> 02:44:24,750
like when it was floating it was like

3306
02:44:30,650 --> 02:44:28,040
gown at the bottom like kind of you know

3307
02:44:32,150 --> 02:44:30,660
Victorian era where they had the you

3308
02:44:34,551 --> 02:44:32,160
know the dresses that were big and poufy

3309
02:44:35,961 --> 02:44:34,561
it was like that and she was just

3310
02:44:38,450 --> 02:44:35,971
walking and you could just tell because

3311
02:44:40,131 --> 02:44:38,460
it was floating any hair anything like

3312
02:44:41,990 --> 02:44:40,141
that or just a mist out oh I didn't know

3313
02:44:44,211 --> 02:44:42,000
like I said it was a mist but you could

3314
02:44:46,041 --> 02:44:44,221
just tell the outline you couldn't see

3315
02:44:50,570 --> 02:44:46,051
physically anything it was just kind of

3316
02:44:54,560 --> 02:44:50,580
faded out now this is this is that's a

3317
02:44:58,600 --> 02:44:54,570
class-a encounter by the way how are you

3318
02:45:01,671 --> 02:44:58,610
how are you how did your beliefs change

3319
02:45:03,411 --> 02:45:01,681
well you know brought up Christian never

3320
02:45:05,751 --> 02:45:03,421
you know stay away from that stuff but

3321
02:45:07,400 --> 02:45:05,761
after that happened it just like you

3322
02:45:09,261 --> 02:45:07,410
know your your whole world just kind of

3323
02:45:11,001 --> 02:45:09,271
changes because even to this day I sit

3324
02:45:13,041 --> 02:45:11,011
back and I go man maybe that was just

3325
02:45:15,020 --> 02:45:13,051
you know I don't know maybe I was just

3326
02:45:17,600 --> 02:45:15,030
young and you know sometimes you still

3327
02:45:19,190 --> 02:45:17,610
look back and kind of go and try to put

3328
02:45:23,320 --> 02:45:19,200
you know something to it but you can't

3329
02:45:25,581 --> 02:45:23,330
right right and are you okay with it

3330
02:45:27,200 --> 02:45:25,591
yeah yeah I mean I'm good with it

3331
02:45:29,150 --> 02:45:27,210
because you know after that I kind of

3332
02:45:30,890 --> 02:45:29,160
started talking to more people and kind

3333
02:45:32,900 --> 02:45:30,900
of got into it and stuff now it doesn't

3334
02:45:35,060 --> 02:45:32,910
bother me but still once in a while you

3335
02:45:36,501 --> 02:45:35,070
kind of it's like you believe in the

3336
02:45:38,091 --> 02:45:36,511
paranormal you're into it you you know

3337
02:45:39,770 --> 02:45:38,101
you read everything get on on stellar

3338
02:45:41,690 --> 02:45:39,780
reading everything finding things out

3339
02:45:43,041 --> 02:45:41,700
but then when it's really happened to

3340
02:45:44,331 --> 02:45:43,051
you sometimes you go back and question

3341
02:45:47,661 --> 02:45:44,341
that because you're like man did that

3342
02:45:49,280 --> 02:45:47,671
really happen right Rhys is just so out

3343
02:45:50,720 --> 02:45:49,290
there because it's things I mean how

3344
02:45:53,751 --> 02:45:50,730
many people actually have something like

3345
02:45:59,690 --> 02:45:53,761
that happened not many right and what

3346
02:46:03,650 --> 02:45:59,700
was that sound did you hear that oh wow

3347
02:46:06,530 --> 02:46:03,660
I was that was bizarre did the audience

3348
02:46:07,610 --> 02:46:06,540
I got to see this on Twitter was that my

3349
02:46:12,130 --> 02:46:07,620
mind

3350
02:46:21,460 --> 02:46:17,059
did anybody hear that I got it after the

3351
02:46:24,590 --> 02:46:21,470
show I got to go back and play this 9:43

3352
02:46:26,719 --> 02:46:24,600
okay so 15 minutes towards the end of

3353
02:46:31,969 --> 02:46:26,729
the show all right yeah that was uh that

3354
02:46:36,349 --> 02:46:31,979
was pretty creepy sounding so life after

3355
02:46:38,569 --> 02:46:36,359
death right or interdimensional or

3356
02:46:41,050 --> 02:46:38,579
parallel worlds all of this is now

3357
02:46:45,170 --> 02:46:41,060
possible because of what you witnessed

3358
02:46:49,910 --> 02:46:45,180
certainly our simple little 3d existence

3359
02:46:52,670 --> 02:46:49,920
is and all there is correct but you can

3360
02:46:55,029 --> 02:46:52,680
also look at it like sometimes it's just

3361
02:46:57,349 --> 02:46:55,039
a moment in time and it just stays there

3362
02:47:00,290 --> 02:46:57,359
yeah everybody's saying that they heard

3363
02:47:03,739 --> 02:47:00,300
it you didn't hear that I heard it in my

3364
02:47:05,179 --> 02:47:03,749
headphones no I can hear you on the

3365
02:47:06,649 --> 02:47:05,189
phone and that's it I got everything

3366
02:47:20,330 --> 02:47:06,659
else kind of turned down Wow

3367
02:47:23,059 --> 02:47:20,340
it sounded like Michael right oh man

3368
02:47:26,479 --> 02:47:23,069
somebody just said Jimmy that made my

3369
02:47:28,580 --> 02:47:26,489
heart start beating faster I heard it

3370
02:47:31,219 --> 02:47:28,590
Jimmy big fun I heard it sounded exactly

3371
02:47:33,920 --> 02:47:31,229
like what you said creepy noise I heard

3372
02:47:36,769 --> 02:47:33,930
it what the heck was that sound I heard

3373
02:47:39,109 --> 02:47:36,779
it there's like 50 tweets right in a row

3374
02:47:42,109 --> 02:47:39,119
boom boom boom boom boom boom boom yeah

3375
02:47:44,899 --> 02:47:42,119
that was weird man that was weird and it

3376
02:47:46,450 --> 02:47:44,909
was through I'm just sitting here you

3377
02:47:49,849 --> 02:47:46,460
guys are watching me on the bunker cam

3378
02:47:53,330 --> 02:47:49,859
you not pressing any buttons I'm not

3379
02:47:54,109 --> 02:47:53,340
doing anything and it just like came

3380
02:47:57,620 --> 02:47:54,119
through

3381
02:48:00,019 --> 02:47:57,630
I have noise gates and stuff so I'm

3382
02:48:02,420 --> 02:48:00,029
gonna perfectly quiet I'm in the bunker

3383
02:48:04,519 --> 02:48:02,430
right so it's it's quiet in here so if I

3384
02:48:08,149 --> 02:48:04,529
take off my headphones like this right

3385
02:48:12,160 --> 02:48:08,159
this is the is the quietest thing you've

3386
02:48:15,229 --> 02:48:12,170
ever heard so I don't wow that was that

3387
02:48:18,920 --> 02:48:15,239
was weird man it was cool whatever was

3388
02:48:20,630 --> 02:48:18,930
it was cool well that's an amazing now

3389
02:48:23,479 --> 02:48:20,640
did you go back that's what I meant to

3390
02:48:26,869 --> 02:48:23,489
ask did you go back no no I

3391
02:48:28,550 --> 02:48:26,879
back to the house why not well I was

3392
02:48:30,380 --> 02:48:28,560
good with everything until the one

3393
02:48:32,300 --> 02:48:30,390
person and his family told me oh yeah

3394
02:48:37,460 --> 02:48:32,310
choked our grandpa's like I'm not going

3395
02:48:40,880 --> 02:48:37,470
back there because I'm not taking

3396
02:48:42,199 --> 02:48:40,890
chances I I'm with you on that was like

3397
02:48:44,479 --> 02:48:42,209
I said it was the first time that ever

3398
02:48:45,229 --> 02:48:44,489
happened so it was like it would just

3399
02:48:47,359 --> 02:48:45,239
through me first

3400
02:48:50,630 --> 02:48:47,369
you know loop well and you said it

3401
02:48:53,059 --> 02:48:50,640
yourself you it touched you so you know

3402
02:48:57,349 --> 02:48:53,069
that it has the the ability to go

3403
02:48:59,840 --> 02:48:57,359
physical right yeah man Pat that's an

3404
02:49:01,630 --> 02:48:59,850
amazing amazing that's a life-changing

3405
02:49:03,949 --> 02:49:01,640
event you're right

3406
02:49:04,909 --> 02:49:03,959
I'll call sometime and give you some

3407
02:49:07,760 --> 02:49:04,919
more because I've had other things

3408
02:49:11,389 --> 02:49:07,770
throughout my life I want to hear at all

3409
02:49:13,279 --> 02:49:11,399
thank you so much friend be safe thank

3410
02:49:19,189 --> 02:49:13,289
you sir bye Thank You Pat that's a great

3411
02:49:24,619 --> 02:49:19,199
phone call right there and for an entity

3412
02:49:27,050 --> 02:49:24,629
to go physical that's a trippy thing but

3413
02:49:30,579 --> 02:49:27,060
right in the middle of him telling that

3414
02:49:35,479 --> 02:49:30,589
story we had the ghost effect that was

3415
02:49:37,189 --> 02:49:35,489
what that was I don't even know I've got

3416
02:49:38,869 --> 02:49:37,199
to go back and listen to it somebody

3417
02:49:41,090 --> 02:49:38,879
just said it sounded like the Death Star

3418
02:49:42,349 --> 02:49:41,100
powering up that's from Roger Phillip

3419
02:49:46,939 --> 02:49:42,359
says Doppler effect

3420
02:49:53,059 --> 02:49:46,949
Tampa Rick he hurted swoosh I run gratos

3421
02:49:55,279 --> 02:49:53,069
cans it sounded like your mind to me

3422
02:49:59,239 --> 02:49:55,289
that was a low-frequency hum that

3423
02:50:02,149 --> 02:49:59,249
happens now and then yeah like her do

3424
02:50:05,510 --> 02:50:02,159
Jimmy yeah that's uh that was good that

3425
02:50:06,649 --> 02:50:05,520
was cool alright let's uh go back to

3426
02:50:07,719 --> 02:50:06,659
pose hi you're live I'm fade to black

3427
02:50:10,670 --> 02:50:07,729
who's calling

3428
02:50:12,409 --> 02:50:10,680
hey Jimmy this is Ronnie how you doing

3429
02:50:14,349 --> 02:50:12,419
tonight I'm doing good Ronnie how are

3430
02:50:17,389 --> 02:50:14,359
you that's the question

3431
02:50:19,880 --> 02:50:17,399
fantastic I called once before I was I

3432
02:50:21,920 --> 02:50:19,890
don't know if you remember I asked you

3433
02:50:25,130 --> 02:50:21,930
about Jon Rappoport if he was the same

3434
02:50:27,289 --> 02:50:25,140
guy for mash but um oh yeah that's right

3435
02:50:30,019 --> 02:50:27,299
that's right yeah yeah that's beside the

3436
02:50:32,059 --> 02:50:30,029
point but I had a whole paranormal story

3437
02:50:32,889 --> 02:50:32,069
I'd like to share with you alright

3438
02:50:34,090 --> 02:50:32,899
alright

3439
02:50:37,359 --> 02:50:34,100
we ask you this did you hear that

3440
02:50:41,019 --> 02:50:37,369
strange sound a few seconds ago I did

3441
02:50:45,099 --> 02:50:41,029
hear it now what what was it I have no

3442
02:50:48,099 --> 02:50:45,109
idea what did it sound what I mean it's

3443
02:50:50,800 --> 02:50:48,109
yes just like what you described I mean

3444
02:50:57,609 --> 02:50:50,810
it was very faint but I did hear it it

3445
02:51:00,010 --> 02:50:57,619
was crazy and it just it it was I don't

3446
02:51:03,939 --> 02:51:00,020
know I don't know it I don't know it

3447
02:51:07,210 --> 02:51:03,949
would it didn't sound didn't sound

3448
02:51:10,029 --> 02:51:07,220
artificial it didn't sound like you know

3449
02:51:12,069 --> 02:51:10,039
uh you know maybe that last callers

3450
02:51:14,080 --> 02:51:12,079
ghost is visiting you I'm telling you

3451
02:51:20,319 --> 02:51:14,090
what I mean I'm in a completely

3452
02:51:23,739 --> 02:51:20,329
soundproof room completely right it goes

3453
02:51:27,069 --> 02:51:23,749
proof that's the question now that was

3454
02:51:31,059 --> 02:51:27,079
that was bizarre okay okay so tell me

3455
02:51:34,840 --> 02:51:31,069
about your experience well this is kind

3456
02:51:37,540 --> 02:51:34,850
of strange it was a few years ago every

3457
02:51:40,420 --> 02:51:37,550
night when I would go to bed the first

3458
02:51:42,340 --> 02:51:40,430
first time it happened I I was laying

3459
02:51:46,929 --> 02:51:42,350
there and you know kind of half asleep

3460
02:51:50,559 --> 02:51:46,939
and I felt like a cat jumped on the bed

3461
02:51:55,569 --> 02:51:50,569
and you know walked around in circles a

3462
02:51:57,460 --> 02:51:55,579
couple times and then laid out and we

3463
02:51:59,949 --> 02:51:57,470
didn't have a cat at that time our cat

3464
02:52:04,960 --> 02:51:59,959
had passed away but it had been several

3465
02:52:06,939 --> 02:52:04,970
months since our cat had died so the

3466
02:52:09,550 --> 02:52:06,949
first night I kind of just shrugged it

3467
02:52:11,859 --> 02:52:09,560
off as you know I'm just imagining

3468
02:52:15,069 --> 02:52:11,869
things or that didn't really happen or

3469
02:52:19,139 --> 02:52:15,079
you know I was half asleep who knows but

3470
02:52:21,819 --> 02:52:19,149
then the next night it happened to give

3471
02:52:25,659 --> 02:52:21,829
still I'm kind of not really believing

3472
02:52:29,590 --> 02:52:25,669
that this is real still thinking I'm

3473
02:52:33,309 --> 02:52:29,600
just imagining this until this went on

3474
02:52:35,769 --> 02:52:33,319
every night night after night after

3475
02:52:38,559 --> 02:52:35,779
night and it I swear it was a good six

3476
02:52:40,689 --> 02:52:38,569
months and I would lay there and just

3477
02:52:44,290 --> 02:52:40,699
pretend like I was asleep but I was

3478
02:52:46,330 --> 02:52:44,300
awake waiting for this to happen and I

3479
02:52:46,810 --> 02:52:46,340
would reach my hand behind me because it

3480
02:52:49,570 --> 02:52:46,820
was always

3481
02:52:51,640 --> 02:52:49,580
the same place with like behind my leg

3482
02:52:54,100 --> 02:52:51,650
that lay on my side right handed it

3483
02:52:55,631 --> 02:52:54,110
would curl up behind my legs and I would

3484
02:53:00,341 --> 02:52:55,641
reach my hand back there and feel

3485
02:53:02,320 --> 02:53:00,351
nothing there ah do this this was really

3486
02:53:08,410 --> 02:53:02,330
strange and then it just as suddenly as

3487
02:53:13,301 --> 02:53:08,420
it started it quit happening oh man were

3488
02:53:16,270 --> 02:53:13,311
you okay what what at the time we're

3489
02:53:17,921 --> 02:53:16,280
doing anything that could have caused us

3490
02:53:19,900 --> 02:53:17,931
were you listening to late-night

3491
02:53:23,770 --> 02:53:19,910
paranormal radio shows and trying to

3492
02:53:27,940 --> 02:53:23,780
fall asleep every movie were you playing

3493
02:53:30,850 --> 02:53:27,950
Ouija boards where you do nothing at all

3494
02:53:33,881 --> 02:53:30,860
nothing at all you know watching TV

3495
02:53:35,890 --> 02:53:33,891
whatever show happened to be on that

3496
02:53:38,261 --> 02:53:35,900
night I you know I used to watch a lot

3497
02:53:41,171 --> 02:53:38,271
of Discovery Channel History Channel

3498
02:53:46,421 --> 02:53:41,181
stuff like that right anything else

3499
02:53:49,900 --> 02:53:46,431
going been in the house my wife had had

3500
02:53:52,631 --> 02:53:49,910
some experiences but she's really

3501
02:53:55,961 --> 02:53:52,641
sensitive to that sort of thing so that

3502
02:53:58,810 --> 02:53:55,971
I mean she's always had experiences ever

3503
02:54:03,520 --> 02:53:58,820
since she was a child right seeing

3504
02:54:06,520 --> 02:54:03,530
things seeing people stuff like that but

3505
02:54:08,200 --> 02:54:06,530
she never experienced the the cat or

3506
02:54:11,291 --> 02:54:08,210
whatever it was I called her our ghost

3507
02:54:14,921 --> 02:54:11,301
cats we had a ghost cat that has that is

3508
02:54:19,631 --> 02:54:14,931
crazy and now who lived in the house

3509
02:54:21,940 --> 02:54:19,641
before you I don't know it was a we were

3510
02:54:24,700 --> 02:54:21,950
renting at the time that was a house we

3511
02:54:27,520 --> 02:54:24,710
were renting oh so how long did you live

3512
02:54:29,980 --> 02:54:27,530
in the house I you know up to that point

3513
02:54:32,410 --> 02:54:29,990
a couple of years nerd just a couple of

3514
02:54:35,860 --> 02:54:32,420
years yeah so anything could have

3515
02:54:40,211 --> 02:54:35,870
happened before you move her sure and it

3516
02:54:44,310 --> 02:54:40,221
was fairly it was a duplex and it was a

3517
02:54:47,051 --> 02:54:44,320
fairly old duplex as a matter of fact I

3518
02:54:50,190 --> 02:54:47,061
believe it was built the time we live in

3519
02:54:54,551 --> 02:54:50,200
in Florida really didn't exist before

3520
02:54:56,770 --> 02:54:54,561
you know early 1970s and then it just

3521
02:54:59,560 --> 02:54:56,780
kind of popped up and this this one I

3522
02:55:00,430 --> 02:54:59,570
actually found a date when I was working

3523
02:55:03,791 --> 02:55:00,440
on the air-condition

3524
02:55:05,770 --> 02:55:03,801
a date in there of the late 1976 I think

3525
02:55:12,820 --> 02:55:05,780
it was right when that thing was

3526
02:55:15,751 --> 02:55:12,830
installed the the the people that

3527
02:55:18,970 --> 02:55:15,761
because I've done it that go and rent

3528
02:55:21,970 --> 02:55:18,980
you know I've rented my whole life until

3529
02:55:26,110 --> 02:55:21,980
I you know we bought our house so you

3530
02:55:27,850 --> 02:55:26,120
never know you know and you know and you

3531
02:55:31,301 --> 02:55:27,860
just don't know you you go and you put

3532
02:55:33,791 --> 02:55:31,311
your bed in a in a new bedroom and you

3533
02:55:37,390 --> 02:55:33,801
move into this apartment or duplex or a

3534
02:55:39,371 --> 02:55:37,400
house or whatever you do not know what

3535
02:55:43,990 --> 02:55:39,381
went on in that room before you were

3536
02:55:47,680 --> 02:55:44,000
there I mean crazy as maybe nothing

3537
02:55:49,360 --> 02:55:47,690
right but now and so when you are

3538
02:55:52,780 --> 02:55:49,370
telling me that's you're at a rented

3539
02:55:58,150 --> 02:55:52,790
room and you've got what appears to be

3540
02:56:02,200 --> 02:55:58,160
some being crawling into bed with you

3541
02:56:04,390 --> 02:56:02,210
and and lie on air and it it didn't

3542
02:56:05,890 --> 02:56:04,400
happen you know right after we first

3543
02:56:09,520 --> 02:56:05,900
moved in there we had been there a while

3544
02:56:13,360 --> 02:56:09,530
and it it started happening did you ask

3545
02:56:15,190 --> 02:56:13,370
your neighbors you know no I say

3546
02:56:18,791 --> 02:56:15,200
anything to the neighbors I told a few

3547
02:56:21,220 --> 02:56:18,801
of my friends about it and you know they

3548
02:56:22,690 --> 02:56:21,230
kind of just laughed it off and I don't

3549
02:56:24,730 --> 02:56:22,700
know what to tell you we got to go scat

3550
02:56:27,100 --> 02:56:24,740
you know I I thought I was imagining

3551
02:56:28,301 --> 02:56:27,110
things but when it happens every night

3552
02:56:33,280 --> 02:56:28,311
like clockwork

3553
02:56:35,440 --> 02:56:33,290
oh man that's that's that's that's oh

3554
02:56:41,371 --> 02:56:35,450
that's a really good

3555
02:56:44,291 --> 02:56:41,381
I almost said sighting encounter but

3556
02:56:46,511 --> 02:56:44,301
after it ended I mean I always asked

3557
02:56:49,331 --> 02:56:46,521
everybody the same question because it's

3558
02:56:52,301 --> 02:56:49,341
I have to ask myself this question and

3559
02:56:54,500 --> 02:56:52,311
it's an easy one which is were you cool

3560
02:56:56,929 --> 02:56:54,510
with it

3561
02:56:59,540 --> 02:56:56,939
yeah I mean it it didn't really bother

3562
02:57:01,090 --> 02:56:59,550
me you know it's not like I jumped out

3563
02:57:05,000 --> 02:57:01,100
of bed and wasn't sleeping there anymore

3564
02:57:07,609 --> 02:57:05,010
did you want to have it happen again did

3565
02:57:12,739 --> 02:57:07,619
you started no I didn't miss it if

3566
02:57:16,219 --> 02:57:12,749
that's what you're saying I kind of

3567
02:57:18,349 --> 02:57:16,229
missed the ghost cat honey is right has

3568
02:57:22,099 --> 02:57:18,359
she come and visited you lately no oh

3569
02:57:25,370 --> 02:57:22,109
man you know so but yeah great great

3570
02:57:26,989 --> 02:57:25,380
great experience and and you know we'll

3571
02:57:28,279 --> 02:57:26,999
open up the phones on Thursday night I

3572
02:57:31,219 --> 02:57:28,289
would like to hear from anybody else

3573
02:57:32,870 --> 02:57:31,229
it's you know ghosts ghosts pets that's

3574
02:57:34,550 --> 02:57:32,880
that's that's really cool

3575
02:57:36,380 --> 02:57:34,560
hey Ron thank you yeah you don't hear

3576
02:57:39,130 --> 02:57:36,390
much of that all right Thank You Jimmy

3577
02:57:41,479 --> 02:57:39,140
have a great night my friend how you do

3578
02:57:45,139 --> 02:57:41,489
great phone call right there thank you

3579
02:57:48,469 --> 02:57:45,149
so much Ron the ghost cat curling up see

3580
02:57:51,290 --> 02:57:48,479
that happens to me every night and but I

3581
02:57:55,779 --> 02:57:51,300
reach down and I've got a dog I've got a

3582
02:57:59,479 --> 02:57:55,789
dog or cat hanging out there that's uh

3583
02:58:08,120 --> 02:57:59,489
that's absolutely amazing and going back

3584
02:58:12,700 --> 02:58:08,130
to Pat's encounter that that having

3585
02:58:20,330 --> 02:58:12,710
something materialize and go physical

3586
02:58:21,399 --> 02:58:20,340
the thing is about ghosts right is they

3587
02:58:24,500 --> 02:58:21,409
can't hurt you

3588
02:58:26,149 --> 02:58:24,510
right you're told that they can't hurt

3589
02:58:28,550 --> 02:58:26,159
you what's it gonna do what's it gonna

3590
02:58:31,580 --> 02:58:28,560
do push you down some stairs is it gonna

3591
02:58:33,229 --> 02:58:31,590
punch you in the face right it's just a

3592
02:58:34,939 --> 02:58:33,239
ghost and that's what you know your

3593
02:58:38,750 --> 02:58:34,949
grandparents my grandparents used to

3594
02:58:41,899 --> 02:58:38,760
tell me about the goes in their home so

3595
02:58:43,910 --> 02:58:41,909
and growing up especially with our

3596
02:58:45,700 --> 02:58:43,920
grandparents anything strange happened

3597
02:58:48,739 --> 02:58:45,710
in the house you always got the same

3598
02:58:49,849 --> 02:58:48,749
explanation huh that's our ghost you

3599
02:58:52,189 --> 02:58:49,859
know pay him no mind

3600
02:58:54,019 --> 02:58:52,199
he doesn't he's not gonna hurt you and

3601
02:58:57,500 --> 02:58:54,029
so you hear this when you have three

3602
02:59:00,260 --> 02:58:57,510
four five six seven years old and you're

3603
02:59:04,460 --> 02:59:00,270
you're okay with it right but when a

3604
02:59:07,070 --> 02:59:04,470
ghost decides to go physical now we got

3605
02:59:10,910 --> 02:59:07,080
another situation

3606
02:59:13,340 --> 02:59:10,920
Pat had said that the ghost had put and

3607
02:59:16,700 --> 02:59:13,350
tried to choke his grandfather or the

3608
02:59:19,070 --> 02:59:16,710
the the the father the grandfather that

3609
02:59:20,990 --> 02:59:19,080
that's that's that's taking things to

3610
02:59:23,360 --> 02:59:21,000
another level you don't want to have

3611
02:59:27,170 --> 02:59:23,370
these entities to be able to go physical

3612
02:59:30,710 --> 02:59:27,180
or are they now and the other part of it

3613
02:59:34,040 --> 02:59:30,720
is look everybody that's calling in

3614
02:59:38,630 --> 02:59:34,050
right now I'm wrapping up the show here

3615
02:59:43,220 --> 02:59:38,640
in 45 seconds so we won't you can can

3616
02:59:46,370 --> 02:59:43,230
stop but when when something is going

3617
02:59:49,040 --> 02:59:46,380
physical that is where I have to

3618
02:59:50,720 --> 02:59:49,050
question if it's interdimensional right

3619
02:59:53,660 --> 02:59:50,730
is it interdimensional is this a

3620
02:59:55,040 --> 02:59:53,670
parallel world situation this is

3621
02:59:58,430 --> 02:59:55,050
something coming over from the other

3622
03:00:03,020 --> 02:59:58,440
side is it a being from the future right

3623
03:00:08,390 --> 03:00:03,030
is it it could it even be et some again

3624
03:00:11,000 --> 03:00:08,400
light being type of entity I don't know

3625
03:00:14,360 --> 03:00:11,010
I I do believe that there is something

3626
03:00:17,030 --> 03:00:14,370
going on here that listening to Pat's

3627
03:00:19,520 --> 03:00:17,040
experience that was what I said that's a

3628
03:00:23,540 --> 03:00:19,530
class-a encounter that's a real world

3629
03:00:25,190 --> 03:00:23,550
that that is as real as anything that I

3630
03:00:28,520 --> 03:00:25,200
believe it actually happened like he

3631
03:00:31,640 --> 03:00:28,530
says that's a great great great

3632
03:00:34,040 --> 03:00:31,650
encounter I do want to remind everybody

3633
03:00:36,650 --> 03:00:34,050
I got to think Nick Pope and also it's

3634
03:00:39,530 --> 03:00:36,660
Nick Pope dotnet the links are over at

3635
03:00:41,950 --> 03:00:39,540
Jimmy Church radio.com and I can go and

3636
03:00:44,870 --> 03:00:41,960
visit and excite all of his appearances

3637
03:00:47,680 --> 03:00:44,880
that will be happening in 2018 are there

3638
03:00:50,780 --> 03:00:47,690
his books are there great articles a

3639
03:00:54,830 --> 03:00:50,790
really really cool website Nick Pope

3640
03:00:56,900 --> 03:00:54,840
dotnet tomorrow night jason louvre will

3641
03:00:58,910 --> 03:00:56,910
be here we're gonna talk about this book

3642
03:01:01,610 --> 03:00:58,920
that was just a release and it's really

3643
03:01:04,430 --> 03:01:01,620
really good it's called john d and the

3644
03:01:07,700 --> 03:01:04,440
empire of angels anak e and magic and

3645
03:01:09,590 --> 03:01:07,710
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3646
03:01:11,570 --> 03:01:09,600
that will be tomorrow night Thursday

3647
03:01:14,750 --> 03:01:11,580
night Nick Pope is coming right back

3648
03:01:17,120 --> 03:01:14,760
here to hang out with me all night and

3649
03:01:19,751 --> 03:01:17,130
take your phone calls and answer your

3650
03:01:22,331 --> 03:01:19,761
questions and with that that

3651
03:01:24,850 --> 03:01:22,341
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3652
03:01:26,770 --> 03:01:24,860
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3653
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03:01:58,781 --> 03:01:56,871
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3667
03:02:24,150 --> 03:02:05,360
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